7.62x25... the nasty one

Suther said:
Sorry, are you saying I can get a shot out destroyer, AND reline it for like $500? 'cause thats a pretty reasonable deal... that is actually something that is probably worth looking into.
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You "should" be able to do that. It may be more now. I did mine two years ago. Pretty straight forward conversion and if you are at all handy, you can do most of the work yourself.

I see you're in Port Moody. Bits of Pieces in Delta should be able to supply you with a chambered liner to use in the destroyer barrel. You may want Barry to install the liner but that would cost more.

If you're looking at a semi auto, Winchester mod 1907 rifles with rotted bores can also be found cheaply if you look around.

If you want to reload, go for a bolt action. Even a CZ with a 223 bolt face can be adapted just by putting on a new barrel. That would make a great switch barrel. One for cheap plinking and one for long range shooting.

If you're just plinking with surplus, corrosive steel cased ammo then the 1907 may be the way to go.

Understand, this would be a one off labor of love. Likely not easy to sell. One man's dream is another man's boredom.
 
Juster said:
Lots of them.
ht tps://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/762x25-rifle-chamber-insert?a=650814
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Huh, cool! I had no idea these existed for .303. I'd love to get my dad one and a case of cheap 7.62x25 ammo for his old sporter Enfield... he never shoots it anymore due to the price of .303 ammo. Anyone know where to find these in Cananda?
 
Juster said:
I don't know. You can also get barrel inserts (with a rifled part) for shotgun and rifle in the USA ht tp://www.mcace.com/rifleinserts.html. But thin on the ground up here.
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From what I hear, accuracy kinda sucks from shotgun inserts. Even if you get a longer rifled one, due to the way they sit (positioned in the bore via some rubber o rings) there is too much play to get any repeatability, the insert moves around a bit after every shot, meanwhile your sights don't.

I guess rifle cartridge inserts (like posted above) would be better in that respect.

Anyone know if inserts are ITAR? I'm guessing yes, otherwise they wouldn't be so uncommon here?
 
Suther said:
From what I hear, accuracy kinda sucks from shotgun inserts. Even if you get a longer rifled one, due to the way they sit (positioned in the bore via some rubber o rings) there is too much play to get any repeatability, the insert moves around a bit after every shot, meanwhile your sights don't.

I guess rifle cartridge inserts (like posted above) would be better in that respect.

Anyone know if inserts are ITAR? I'm guessing yes, otherwise they wouldn't be so uncommon here?
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Inserts are not ITAR, but with the exchange rate, shipping, and import duties, they're frackin expensive to bring up.

I got a 8" Shortlane rifled .22 adapter up from an outfit called https://www.selfrelianceoutfitters.com/ a few years ago when the Canadian Peso more closely resembled actual money (it was actually on par), and it still ended up costing me about $130 all in, and that was back when the adapter ran for $75 US. They run at $99US now, and the exchange rate being what it is, once you pay all the shipping and import stuff... Well, I'm not getting any more, anytime soon.

Which is a shame. They're more accurate than you might think.

I'd used it plinking, off an on for a couple years, then I though "you know, it'd be interesting to see what kind of accuracy is possible from the thing..." So I got creative customizing a single shot 12 gauge to take a rail and an RDS:

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And took it to the range to bench it. The following groups were from 25 yards:

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Sure, not a "bullseye shooter" by any stretch, but still pretty acceptable for an ad-hoc rig using a 3 MOA Red Dot.

I don't know of anyone who makes an 8" rifled adapter in 7.62x25, but if one was properly made, I see no reason why you couldn't get similar results.

I think one of the biggest reasons people get such lousy accuracy results out of these adapters is essentially sights. A bead sight sucks for pinpoint shooting. That doesn't really express itself when you're shooting slugs or shotshells, but gets really noticeable when shooting small diameter bullets.

Boring video of the test shoot:


I've since broken down that rig., The RDS had a better gun to go on.
 
Oh, and if you're worried about corrosive ammo, stay away from the Shortlanes. The steel they use starts to corrode if you look at it funny. I keep it wrapped in an oilcloth, otherwise it starts to get a patina in a matter of days, no matter how you clean it.
 
grelmar said:
Inserts are not ITAR, but with the exchange rate, shipping, and import duties, they're frackin expensive to bring up.

I got a 8" Shortlane rifled .22 adapter up from an outfit called https://www.selfrelianceoutfitters.com/ a few years ago when the Canadian Peso more closely resembled actual money (it was actually on par), and it still ended up costing me about $130 all in, and that was back when the adapter ran for $75 US. They run at $99US now, and the exchange rate being what it is, once you pay all the shipping and import stuff... Well, I'm not getting any more, anytime soon.

Which is a shame. They're more accurate than you might think.

I'd used it plinking, off an on for a couple years, then I though "you know, it'd be interesting to see what kind of accuracy is possible from the thing..." So I got creative customizing a single shot 12 gauge to take a rail and an RDS:

shortlane_test_rig_s.jpg


And took it to the range to bench it. The following groups were from 25 yards:

groups_s.jpg


groups_measured_s.jpg


Sure, not a "bullseye shooter" by any stretch, but still pretty acceptable for an ad-hoc rig using a 3 MOA Red Dot.

I don't know of anyone who makes an 8" rifled adapter in 7.62x25, but if one was properly made, I see no reason why you couldn't get similar results.

I think one of the biggest reasons people get such lousy accuracy results out of these adapters is essentially sights. A bead sight sucks for pinpoint shooting. That doesn't really express itself when you're shooting slugs or shotshells, but gets really noticeable when shooting small diameter bullets.

Boring video of the test shoot:


I've since broken down that rig., The RDS had a better gun to go on.
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Your results are basically what I expected. Accurate enough to pop a bunny or grouse at 25yds, so they would serve a purpose in a survival kit ect. But not something you'd be trying for tiny groups or making longer shots with.

Still, I could see a 22lr one in my future if only they were available for a good price here...
 
I know this topic is abt NON-Restricted... but I figured I'd mention 1911's in the Tokarev, at least one American company ofgers a conversion kit w nice stainless bbl, and the Chinese made thousands too. AFAIK there was even a STEN copy in this caliber, though the mag was curved like a Shpagin or '43 version.
 
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