7.62x25 Tokarevs And Indoor Ranges

Calahan

Calahan

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I'd like to pick up a TT-33, but I'm told that (for a variety of reasons) many indoor ranges will not allow them (including the club that I belong to).

Do any CGN'ers belong to a club that allows Tokarevs in the indoor range?

What are the reasons given for the Tokarevs not being allowed?

Thanks for the replies!
 
Calahan said:
What are the reasons given for the Tokarevs not being allowed?
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Noisy, ugly, noisy, fling brass hard and far, very noisy, not particularly suited for chambered carry in a holster for modern pistol games. Cheap so snobs don't like 'em. And NOISY.

Apart from the blast, those aren't really reasons to bar them from indoor ranges. And the noise is just like the guy whamming magnum cartridges all day long; a little consideration smooths things over.

What actually isn't permitted is the ammunition. Steel core: almost certainly banned. Steel jacket: likely banned. Steel casing: sometimes [un-fairly] banned. But you can buy non- surplus ammo that is constructed as any sporting rounds, or you can get a Tokarev with 9mm as a barrel switch option or native.
 
It could be that the surplus ammo has steel in it of some form. The last range I used mine at has a policy of no steel core ammo and would use as magnet on the ammo to see if they could pick it up, even steel case ammo was rejected.
 
I think the primary reason is the surplus steel-core ammunition hurting the backstop. The steel core ammunition itself is banned for the indoor range at the club I belong to, but the guns are fine as far as I know. Some clubs probably don't want to take the chance and ban the guns altogether to avoid the possibility that someone may unknowingly shoot a bunch of steel core stuff and ding up the backstop.
 
My old club did not allow it, not so much because of loudness but tok's have high muzzle velocity and therefore the backstop was not rated for it, plus steel core surplus and you have recipe for accidents.
 
Its mainly of chez surplus that has steel core penetrator. When it separates it can ricochet from baffles and come back towards the shooter. This all stems from people blasting away and not aiming at properly positioned targets. My club allows the tok ammo and tok shooting, but not steel core. Outdoor use has no restriction
 
I'm in Calgary and TSE didn't allow corrosive ammo so I joined CSC where they will let you shoot anything that goes bang (except for trace obviously). I bang away with my Tok all day and nobody complains.
 
main reason, the steel core or jacket material on surplus ammo is a fire hazard in our range, sending hot fragments into the duct work and starting fires from the paper dust that accumulates when the ventilation is running. With the rifle caliber surplus, it's that, plus damage to the backstop. Both the handgun and rifle rounds tear up the target hangers. Add that to the few morons who'd deliberatly come in and shoot up said target hangers after hours for the spark show (and destroy the target return systems in the process) and they banned any form of steel core or jacket.
 
Calahan said:
I'd like to pick up a TT-33, but I'm told that (for a variety of reasons) many indoor ranges will not allow them (including the club that I belong to).

Do any CGN'ers belong to a club that allows Tokarevs in the indoor range?

What are the reasons given for the Tokarevs not being allowed?

Thanks for the replies!
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86 grn bullet at 1600 FPS. Even lead core copper wash does damage.
 
The indoor range I belong to has two reasons for banning it, steel core ammunition and the velocity rating of the ammunition which causes damage to the back stop.
 
ammo is the first issue same as all millsurp metal core backstop cant handle it, second velocity its a hot round again backstop
is what it is join a outdoor range like i do for my russian toys
 
Yeah, I get that the Tokarev's velocity is high (and the sectional density is high). But even with the 7.62's high sectional density and a bimetal jacketed lead core bullet, would the Tokarev really be more damaging to the backstop than, say, a hot 44Mag pushing bullets just as fast at over twice the weight? Or how about a 9mm +P, similar SD and energy to the Tokarev.

The issue with sparks from steel core/jacketed bullets creating a fire hazard sounds like a legitimate concern.

I appreciate all the input. Looks like I won't bother with a Tokarev.
 
I got a crate of the BXN stuff from Marstar for $199 a while back...2480 rounds or whatever comes in it. The crates had been repacked so there was 16 different lots in mine, all 1953-54 dates. The individual boxes of 40 rounds (5x8 rounds on strippers) were unopened. About half were brass cased copper jacket, the rest were lacquered steel case. The steel case stuff looked pristine, the brass had some tarnish and staining so it got a ride in the tumbler.
Shoots pretty straight...should have bought more.
 
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