7.62x39 Chezch Milsurp Corrosive issues?
- Thread starter harbl_the_cat
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yeah cause clp is the best solvent for potassium chloride right?
You don't have to dissolve it. Patches & solvent scrub it out of the bore with the powder residue & oil encapsulates what is left.
The 858 was my first intro to corrosive ammo, but it didn't stop me from buying 2248 rounds to go with it.
I do use boiling water, but I start the kettle to boil some water for tea anyway, and use the rest to clean the rifle. Probably takes another 15 minutes for me, but I don't mind at all. Nothing to be scared off.
I do use boiling water, but I start the kettle to boil some water for tea anyway, and use the rest to clean the rifle. Probably takes another 15 minutes for me, but I don't mind at all. Nothing to be scared off.
I just take a thermos to the range with me, and douse it right when I'm done, wipe it off and bring it home, then I clean it just like anything else. Except it IS the only one that cleaned after every trip to the range. My thoughts are, I use the water to get the salts out, then clean it normally to ensure the water doesn't cause any damage.
Boiling water in a thermos is what I use. Have used break cleaner. Could use both.
The boiling water steam cleans the rifle. Then I give it a quick spray with fluid film. I'm not sure why WD40 is around. It isn't great at anything.
Very quick and painless.
The boiling water steam cleans the rifle. Then I give it a quick spray with fluid film. I'm not sure why WD40 is around. It isn't great at anything.
Very quick and painless.
I've been saying that for years! Most useless stuff around. It seemed better when I was a kid, I think they changed the formula or something.
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- Red Deer Alberta
I do the boiling water for the salts and then a regular cleaning with an all in one. I've forgotten a few times, but no rust. I agree that in the field there was no time for elaborate cleaning, but I'm sure they did what they could. Your rifle was your life back then, so the better you take care of it the better it takes care of you. Humidity obviously also plays a part in how the weapon responds to rusting, check the climate and compensate for such. I imagine using it daily in the war would also retard the corrosion effect. If in doubt, drop it in a vat of cosmoline when you return from the range... just kidding.
I've shot thousands of rounds of Czech surplus through my SKS and through my VZ58 and I have never done anything but clean it normally. I've never bothered with what I consider to be old wives remedies. I've never poured hot water or ammonia in either gun; just normal cleaning. To this day I have yet to experience a speck of rust, after years of shooting corrosive ammo.
The only thing I do as prescribed is to clean my guns the same day I shoot them.
The only thing I do as prescribed is to clean my guns the same day I shoot them.
WHATS with all the water???? Use some cleaning product like hopps 9 elite or outers bore cleaner... couple wet patches dry patches wet patches brush dry patches wet patches brush wet patches dry patches...OIL OIL OIL (CLP FOR ME or G96) then dry patch dry patch dry patch then just a lil oil (use the thin rem oil in the little visine type bottle)... As for the gas system get a 45cal bush put a cleaning patch over to cover the bristles cover it in clp and it in there ....just make sure to wipe the oil out ...piston rod wipe it down with a cleaner cover in oil ...wipe it dry .....SPRAY the gun with oil ...wipe it dry....PUT IN SAFE....I then will run a couple oil patch's then dry patch's threw the Barrel for the next day or 2 when i get home plus it gives me some TLC time with my babies and it only takes a couple min
Why water?- Because you need to RINSE out the corrosive salts. If not, it will rust UNDER the oil. (maybe it hasn't happened to your rifle, but it can happen)
Why boiling?- Because hot boiling water will evaporate quickly, leaving a dry rifle to be oiled or otherwise cleaned. Cold water will do the rinsing job just as well, but boiling water evaporates very quickly. The boiling has nothing to do with cleaning out the corrosive residue.
Why boiling?- Because hot boiling water will evaporate quickly, leaving a dry rifle to be oiled or otherwise cleaned. Cold water will do the rinsing job just as well, but boiling water evaporates very quickly. The boiling has nothing to do with cleaning out the corrosive residue.
Several years go a put a couple of hundred rounds through my SKS and brought it home intending to clean it right away. Long story short I ended up putting it back in my safe without cleaning it and forgot about it for a couple of months. When I pulled it out of the safe I needed a rubber mallet to get the action open. After a very good cleaning it was fine but it was a good lesson learned about corrosive ammo.
and forgot about it for a couple of months. When I pulled it out of the safe I needed a rubber mallet to get the action open. After a very good cleaning it was fine but it was a good lesson learned about corrosive ammo.
Ah, I'll stick with the boiling water method, it sounds less complicated than the above, and water's pretty damn cheap too!
Boiling water does a better job than cold water. Remember that the temperature of a solvent has an effect on the solubility. Having the KCl dissolve in addition to being mechanically removed with water flow is the best method of cleaning. Adding dawn soap or the like will help breakdown crud in the barrel, allowing the KCl trapped underneath to be removed.
I would pay a dollar to see you do all that in 2 minutes.
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- Red Deer Alberta
I'm sure the armies using these types of rifles didn't have privates dedicated to boiling water on the field and running it to the fellas on the line, but I don't think their rifles had too much time to rust either between uses. I think it is a modern solution to a chemical reaction that has resulted in an easier way to simplify the cleaning process. Aboriginal tribes’ world wide can recognize the sterile effect of boiling water. If you go to the car wash to get the road salt off your car, do you want hot or cold water?
I think the boiling water is an effective easy way to rid the salts from the weapon with a good cleaning using oil and other lubricants/rust inhibitors.
I have a new question... How thorough are you with your cleaning? I was bad and forgot about the gas piston, port and such on my CZ. I caught it in time, but it was dirty and I didn't put a lot through it, I just forgot until I read a thread that reminded me.
Please share your thoughts.
I think the boiling water is an effective easy way to rid the salts from the weapon with a good cleaning using oil and other lubricants/rust inhibitors.
I have a new question... How thorough are you with your cleaning? I was bad and forgot about the gas piston, port and such on my CZ. I caught it in time, but it was dirty and I didn't put a lot through it, I just forgot until I read a thread that reminded me.
Please share your thoughts.
Here's is how i do. When i get back home after shooting, i start the kettle for boiling water with a bit of soap in, field strip the rifle,i unscrew the muzzle break too for flushing it with hot water. With a funnel, i pour water from the breech end and also by the gas port, run a patch soaked with soapy water down the bore to loose some debris and pour a bit more water to rinse and run a dry patch also use the brush in the cleaning kit to clean the chamber. If i have fired less than 100rds or if i know that i will use the gun again shortly,i dont use bore cleaner, i just run a very slightly oiled patch. I wipe piston,bolt and receiver with a wet clothe and wipe dry after. Also i wipe dry the inside of the gas block. I oil very sparingly inside receiver and bolt and reassemble the rifle. No oil on the piston or in the gas block. I only use the rifle cleaning kit, its all the tool needed to do the job. I check the day after but i never need to clean again, never have any troubles. my procedure may seem long but its not,take less than 15 mins to do. maybe not the perfect method but work fine for me
I took my new CZ-858 out a few weeks ago. Tons of fun. With a spotter I had it dialed in for the gong at 200 yards. Very rewarding, and the trigger on this rifle is very good (I found the trigger on the SVT-40 rifles are also very good).
So I fired off a bunch of the surplus ammo. An hour drive home, about 5 hours later I went to clean it. The result.....
No rust.
Whenever I receive a rifle I field strip it give it a quick clean, and soak it down with G96. I let the G96 soak in and give it a tiny bit more. Then I use Rem oil for the rails.
After shooting I used some windex, and warm water from the facet in my laundry room. Washed it out, including the gas system. Some Wipe out in the bore, let it sit and then patches. Followed by wiping the rest of the rifle and re-aplied G96.
I have no fear of corrosive ammo. My rifle didn't rust, and even the water beads off the rifle if you use G96.
On a side note there were two other shooters at the range. Both of them also had CZ-858, VZ-58 rifles with them.
So I fired off a bunch of the surplus ammo. An hour drive home, about 5 hours later I went to clean it. The result.....
No rust.
Whenever I receive a rifle I field strip it give it a quick clean, and soak it down with G96. I let the G96 soak in and give it a tiny bit more. Then I use Rem oil for the rails.
After shooting I used some windex, and warm water from the facet in my laundry room. Washed it out, including the gas system. Some Wipe out in the bore, let it sit and then patches. Followed by wiping the rest of the rifle and re-aplied G96.
I have no fear of corrosive ammo. My rifle didn't rust, and even the water beads off the rifle if you use G96.
On a side note there were two other shooters at the range. Both of them also had CZ-858, VZ-58 rifles with them
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