7.62x39 deer loads?
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Another bullet for use in the Ruger No.1 7.62x39, the Nosler 30 caliber 170gr Partition at 2065 fps MV. Could probably squeeze a little more speed out of it.
What's fun about this pic is that I have chronoe'd factory 30-30 170gr loads that barely broke 1900 fps
6.8 SPC is very similar to the 7.62x39 -
"The 6.8mm SPC cartridge was designed to address the deficiencies of the terminal performance of the 5.56×45mm NATO cartridge currently in service with the U.S. Armed Forces..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.8mm_Remington_SPC
170gr NP's at 2100 fps MV should expand properly out to 100 yards. And probably a bit further because these have a blunt nose.
not sure if you posted it but can you share your load recipe for that bullet?
think i might grab a cz527 when i get back from hunting
They can, except...
That's a pretty devastating wound profile for a broadside, frontal shot or rear raking shot on a deer.
Above are a few links showing actual performance on deer, with about the same results.
For broadside shots only, this is pretty nasty too.
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170gr NP's at 2100 fps MV should expand properly out to 100 yards. And probably a bit further because these have a blunt nose.
I ran the calcs at 2050, but regardless, for a woods deer cartridge either would do just fine. You'll note too that nosler doesn't say they WON'T expand under 1800, just that that's the optimum. So I'm sure being RN they would be fine out to 100 at either velocity. Surely a minimal meat damage sort of round too. Make a nice woods deer round for sure. Probably not so bad on the old ears at that velocity also.
Lots of development in that regard during the first 10 years of this century, that's precisely what prompted the development of Mk262 as well, and ultimately led to the Mk 318 SOST and M855A1. Things have come a long way since the SS109 / M855. Greentips used to be the in thing, now they're obsolete AF.
Another bullet for use in the Ruger No.1 7.62x39, the Nosler 30 caliber 170gr Partition at 2065 fps MV. Could probably squeeze a little more speed out of it.
Why not just get a #1 in 30-30? It will easily beat that.
I see the appeal of the 7.62x39 in the CZ 527, but not in the #1. The exact same configuration of rifle can be had in chamberings that will leave the little M43 in the dust.
But then why not just get one in .303, which will easily beat .30-30? And then why not trade that in for .30-06, which will beat the .303?
You see where that's going.
I think the point here is to explore the performance you can get from x39, not hit a specific level achieved by another cartridge.
That said if they bring them back in .30-30 I'd snap it up in a heartbeat. Hot loads with spitzers would be fun to play with.
Not to speak for you or anything Slamfire...
Definitely an interesting exercise and shows what's possible with the right rifle and knowledge.
The x39 as loaded above also hits .30-30 performance in a considerably smaller cartridge using like 30% less powder so more economical and less recoil. What's wrong with that?
Definitely an interesting exercise and shows what's possible with the right rifle and knowledge.
The x39 as loaded above also hits .30-30 performance in a considerably smaller cartridge using like 30% less powder so more economical and less recoil. What's wrong with that?
Ok, so I now have some real world data to add but the sample size is exactly 1! I used the Federal Fusion SP ammunition last night in my CZ 527 to take quite a nice buck at approx 90 yards. Deer was quartering away from me and the bullet entered (hit) the middle rib of the right side, fully penetrated both lungs and exited tight behind the offside leg. Deer ran about 30 yards and was dead when I found it. Can’t ask for much better performance out of such a light round. I was surprised at the amount of blood shot around the exit point though which looked like a higher velocity round had been used. These Federal rounds also shot very well in my rifle.
I’ve googled a bit but can’t seem to find what component bullet federal uses in their fusion load? Everyone seems to recommend the SST so I may have to try them but I’m still leaning towards the Hornady or Sierra soft point bullets. My experience with 6.5 SSTs has tainted my opinion of them but then again, I’m a Fudd and believe the Nosler Partition is still the king of bullets in any caliber. I have H4198 and reloadable brass on hand. The idea of making Mexican match (hunting) rounds by pulling Barnaul fmjs is an interesting idea too. Thanks.
I’ve googled a bit but can’t seem to find what component bullet federal uses in their fusion load? Everyone seems to recommend the SST so I may have to try them but I’m still leaning towards the Hornady or Sierra soft point bullets. My experience with 6.5 SSTs has tainted my opinion of them but then again, I’m a Fudd and believe the Nosler Partition is still the king of bullets in any caliber. I have H4198 and reloadable brass on hand. The idea of making Mexican match (hunting) rounds by pulling Barnaul fmjs is an interesting idea too. Thanks.
Just claimed a nice 160 lb spike with my CZ 527,4x weaver. Using 123 gr hornadys,IMI cases, win primers and 24 hrs IMR 4198. Spine shot , deflected down through ribs and shoulder and about 6 inches of neck. Went about 40m ,walked up put one into his head. First shot paced off at 97. I've had more powerful guns and had them travel more.
Been using 25gr H4198/123gr SP/Privi brass/Fed mag primer out of a CZ 527 and they cut 1/2" at 100 yards.Playing with Sierra .311/150gr SP and 29gr H-335 it cut just under an inch at 100 yards.Will increase charge slowly and see how much more it tightens.Switching from standard to mag primers cut group size in 1/2.didn't argue with the gun. Shot two deer prior years with the Hornady 123 SP and both bullets exited .
I have loading dies for 762x39 and have had good success with loading, but after shooting 125gr PVRI soft points out of my cz527 5 shots through a dime at 100 yards, I decided its not worth the bother. There is some value in loading a heavier 150 or 170gr bullet for some better hunting energy if thats what you're going for.
