7.62x51 Nato
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Would you be kind enough to share this research, our information from the MOD in Austria stated they were unable to determine which part of the contracts were boxer or berdan
John
polskiogorki
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cool! thanks polskiogorki... I guess it will really be like Christmas opening our ammo crates hehe
Also... I love your username
Lol thanks, was my dads nickname for years , somehow got passed to me
polskiogorki
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Im out working around the farm but using Google search Hirtenberger 7.62x51 lots of info from m14forum and fnfiles etc... lots of info on which is boxer which is berdan. Some have pictures, .. i will post exact urls when i get in the house.
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- Belmont, ON.
I don't know how johnone puts up with this ####e! 77 pages...it's ammunition...when you pull the trigger...your gun will go BOOM!!! What more do you need?
NickTdot
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I think what is important here is will this run in my m305?
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Sometimes knowing which part of the gun goes boom is important!
That's what makes life interesting...surprises!
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- Northern NB
How would these compare to Lake City's 7.62x51 ?
GUB
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I ordered a case and might of got another but no joy on a group buy. You didn't say anything about a heavier spring in your M14's??I had a bunch of Hirtenberger 7.62 about 10 years ago, found it was a pretty hot load when compared to say SA or LC , my m14 type rifles did not like that stuff too much, cycled the action way too hard for my liking. nice brass tho
not complaining, I think it's awesome marstar has brought this in.
One of my .308's is a Norc M14 clone. DO you think they need an upgrade (heavier spring) to shoot this ammo?
Not to discredit 45acpking but there have been alot of experts in this thread and he was the only one to say it is hot ammo. Anyone else suspect this would overpower an m14 clone?
polskiogorki
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i don't think anyone shouldn't buy this ammo LOL
when I said I found it a little hot...... it "felt" like it was recoiling harder if that makes sense. this by no means is me, "as some kind of expert" ,saying it's bad for your rifles.
keeping and eye on your oprod would just be prudent when you come across an ammo that while it shoots just fine, seems to cycle the action "of my rifles" much harder than say, portugese or south African or any of the commercial .308 150gr loads or Chinese .308 ect. that I've been shooting.
the only warning I would have (and this goes for ALL nato spec ammo) is for those who's chambers are tighter than 1.632" , make damn sure the bolt is fully closing. I've built or modified a lot of rifles for CGN'ers where the rifles have match .308 (1.630") headspace so any warnings or concerns I would have would be expressed towards those folks with those tight chambers.
A xtra powered or heavier recoil/oprod spring might indeed be a decent idea...... but for heavens sake... those little rubber recoil buffers? don't use those... in my "expert" opinion.... they are bad LOL
truth be told, we haven't seen fresh batches of surplus hirtenberger in many years so it will be good to get feedback from guys once they have cracked a case and banged a few rounds down range.
lesson of the day, don't read too much into what some of us :internet experts: post..... just because I'm known to be good at building these rifles and having my head filled with the technical details of the platform, doesn't mean I am an expert in the ammunition, and my experiences shouldn't spread fear in m14 owners to not buy the ammo. LOL
snap it up. if J1 says it good enuff fer yer rifles, I ain't gonna argue. I'm not buying because all my ammo fund is going into 50BMG, I'm pretty darn good on the 7.62/308 for a few years yet
I repeat, this is NATO standards ammop, look up the specs, "hot" ammo, give me a break
John
my apologies to Johnone and others if my comments as a socalled or perceived "expert" has caused anyone confusion. I forget sometimes that folks take my comments as advice when it comes to the m14 stuff and I should know by now to govern my comments accordingly. sorry guys.
NickTdot
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+1 this is NATO purposed ammo.
As the ammo label shows on the Marstar website, this was specifically manufactured for NATO members and specifically for the origina country's (Austrian) FAL (StG 58). On other forums, this same ammo was also found with a German purposed relabel for that country's G1 (again a FAL clone). So given its decade of manufacture it would be a safe bet that it would work very well in any other member country's 7.62 rifle.
I wonder if those who considered this ammo to run hot maybe were shooting .308Win spec'd rifles? The headspace tolerance can be quite 'loose' compared to military spec 7.62x51 rifles. I've not had much experience in that domain as I come from the military, but my understanding was always (as told) that .308Win may not always meet the same SAAMI limits for headspace as milsurp and therefore shooting military ammo may require checking first.
In any case, I look forward to shooting this ammo!!
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45ACPKING, you have nothing to apologize for. Obviously people shouldn't take anything said by anyone here as pure gospel, that ought to go without saying. But they also ought to read comments for what they are, and nothing more.
You clearly and simply said that YOU "found it was a pretty hot load when compared to say SA or LC," and "my m14 type rifles did not like that stuff too much, cycled the action way too hard for my liking". It was a comparison RELATIVE to other ammo YOU tried. Who can argue with that? It was a purely subjective statement and opinion, nothing more, and a useful one IMHO, to contribute to the knowledge base here. We all know that the quality, fit and function of the Norc M305's varies all over the road, maybe depending on the day of the week the thing was cranked out and who put it together at the shop in China. It's a legitimate claim of how it worked in YOUR rifle(s), even if it was a real USGI M1A1 or M14.
Anyone who's been to an M14 clinic will know how much Norc headspace can vary rifle to rifle.
It's peoples' prerogative to get their panties in a knot, or worried how it will function in their rifle, over comments merely given with a helpful intention, which is in no way slanderous or slagging this fine product (as you've already explained), if they want to, but they'd be silly to do that. And how it operated in yours may not match how it works in anyone else's. Or maybe it will? No one knows for sure. Them's the breaks. None of us own the exact same rifle.
I read your comment, took it into account, and I'm still getting some, because I've weighed it along with John's learned comments and common knowledge that this stuff IS NATO spec after all. (I need a CGN 'thumbs up' emoticon to insert here, but there isn't one) ;-D
Cheers.
GUB
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HMMMMM!!! Interesting read.. The word HOT was used numerous times by differant poster's. Which is good news for me because some of this will be used in a bolt gun to see how far it will reach...
I've got the heavier spring in all my M14's ( Chinese) And to some one that may not know ? Those springs are a lot heavier then stock....
