7.62X54R surplus: Chinese vs. Bulgarian

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Which is better quality? Any user reviews of either to share? I'd like to hear from those who have used either in their Mosin. SVT experiences will be good info for others too.
 
From my experience the "Silver tip" Bulgarian surplus ammo I purchased that came in a green spam can shot much tighter and had a more consistent grouping then the chinese surplus that came in an ammo can similar to this,

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=gvmD6jFLzpT_zM&tbnid=EkutZBa7HxK3hM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.milsurps.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D40677&ei=kVLXUqYYo_nZBev3gXg&bvm=bv.59568121,d.aWM&psig=AFQjCNGyuE-9vwNS1ZqPlROG-6xhZpya4A&ust=1389929445554058

Shooting from my Mosin PU Sniper I can say that I would probably not buy the chinese stuff again; It felt dirty and gritty and I found I had to clean my rifle more then other surplus... but Its all up to personal opinion. For the cost Pick up Both and see what YOu like and what your rifle likes the best.
 
I been using the Chinese and Russian in both my nagants and svts so far no issue regarding the ammo except one rnd had a weld slag on it which prevented it from leaving the mag but thats 1 out of crates
 
Mosin PU users, try the Chinese stuff, shoot's 1" or less in my 43TULA PU, better than any other I've tried. Bulgarian shoots better in my other Mosins. Chinese no more or less dirty than another. Czech stuff (grey looking shells, coated steel I think), doesn't chamber in all my PU's. Accuracy so-so in all my rifles. One man's experience.
 
Aw I wuv u guys! Thanks for all the info and targets, any more experiences? I'm thinking I'll spring the extra $20 for the Bulgarian to keep the '39 Izzy happy, it seems to do the best in the infantry rifles. Its interesting that the Chinese does so well in the snipers, maybe its the bedding? I don't know much about what was done by armorers to build the sniper rifles, if they did any additional accurizing or just fitted 91/30's with optics and bent bolts?
 
Here is a trick you can use on mediocre milsurp ammo. Lightly smear the bullet ogive area with some grease. This will drop pressure and velocity, reduce fouling and wear and often improve accuracy. Try it.
 
grease suggestions?

Ganderite said:
Here is a trick you can use on mediocre milsurp ammo. Lightly smear the bullet ogive area with some grease. This will drop pressure and velocity, reduce fouling and wear and often improve accuracy. Try it.
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Could you please give some clues as to which grease to use? Imperial sizing wax? axle grease? vaseline? I'm serious, not being silly, thanks!
 
I don't know if its more or the svt but the Bulgarian stuff is meh. Not good not bad, it does however shoot better than the MFS 185grain I have
 
The targets I posted were shot with open sights at 100 yards of the bench + bags.As issued/refurbed 91/30's.....................Harold
 
I have put both thru my '43 SVT and I haven't had any problems, tho I find the Chinese more smelly than the Bulgarian. By the way, my gas setting is on 1.5, if that makes any difference.
 
big bear said:
Could you please give some clues as to which grease to use? Imperial sizing wax? axle grease? vaseline? I'm serious, not being silly, thanks!
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Axle grease works just fine. I happen to have a container of moly grease (from Crappy Tire) in my range kit for lubing bolts, so I use that to lube bullets when needed.

The velocity drops with grease and the SD improves. A handy trick if your ammo turns out to be too hot one day. Grease drops pressure about 5,000 psi.
 
Ganderite said:
Axle grease works just fine. I happen to have a container of moly grease (from Crappy Tire) in my range kit for lubing bolts, so I use that to lube bullets when needed.

The velocity drops with grease and the SD improves. A handy trick if your ammo turns out to be too hot one day. Grease drops pressure about 5,000 psi.
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Any possibilities of oil rings forming in the bore though?. I'm kind of worried about putting grease through a high pressure barrel.

Just actually very curious about it, not trying to be a ####.
 
Ganderite said:
Here is a trick you can use on mediocre milsurp ammo. Lightly smear the bullet ogive area with some grease. This will drop pressure and velocity, reduce fouling and wear and often improve accuracy. Try it.
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Dude, where did you get this idea?????

You should NEVER smear grease or anything else on ammo you're about to fire! It can (and usually does) increase chamber pressure dangerously (although it is reputed to help accuracy).

Shooters in the WWI era used to do this routinely, but it was found that the chamber pressures were ridiculously high. Bolt failures were occurring, and receivers were fracturing. Doing this also blew the rear sight completely off a 1903 Springfield at a Camp Perry match in the early '20's (source: Hatcher's Notebook).

It's not the grease on the bullet itself, but that some grease will inevitably get onto the chamber walls as the round is chambered, and that grease in the chamber is what causes the dangerous pressure increase.
 
Ganderite said:
Axle grease works just fine. I happen to have a container of moly grease (from Crappy Tire) in my range kit for lubing bolts, so I use that to lube bullets when needed.

The velocity drops with grease and the SD improves. A handy trick if your ammo turns out to be too hot one day. Grease drops pressure about 5,000 psi.
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Curious as to how you found that a little grease on the bullet drops velocity any significant amount. FYI my opinion is that putting any oil or grease on a bullet or case to get it to work is a big no no. The only time I have ever heard of lubing cases was with the old Oerlikon 20mm. gun!
 
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