7.63 x25 mauser

7.62 bullet has a minet bullet effect when fired in order to seal the gas and hug the lands of the barrel. That's why they made these cartridges hot. If the charge is reduced then accuracy drops no matter if fired from broom handle or tt33. The cartridge itself whether its called 7.63 or 7.62 is the same and can be interchanged in various handguns. Most of the dammage in firearms happens due to use of steel cases in x25 cal production. Steel is harder on the action of firearms than brass. Most damage in broom handles is from use of steel cased ammo and not from pressure charge of the cartridge.
If the firearm is cheap tok then who cares what ammo to use, if its rare brommhandle that was made 100 years ago, then get propper ammo for it or better yet reload in order to avoid dammage.
its like comparing lambo and corolla in the topic of what fuel to use in them.
 
Just for the record, I did not suggest shooting 7.62 surplus in a broomhandle.

I have a case of brass cased milsurp and I pull the bullets and drop the powder charge by 3 gr for use in a broomhandle. This seems to make nice gentle ammo for an old gun with original springs.

BTW, I don't like shooting full power 9mm ammo in a Luger, either. Al the little bits are serial numbered and I would hate to break anything. I use a mid power load under a 135 gr lead bullet that cycles fine and does not beat up the gun.
 
Ganderite said:
Just for the record, I did not suggest shooting 7.62 surplus in a broomhandle.

I have a case of brass cased milsurp and I pull the bullets and drop the powder charge by 3 gr for use in a broomhandle. This seems to make nice gentle ammo for an old gun with original springs.

BTW, I don't like shooting full power 9mm ammo in a Luger, either. Al the little bits are serial numbered and I would hate to break anything. I use a mid power load under a 135 gr lead bullet that cycles fine and does not beat up the gun.
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I highly recommend reading that " The Kriegerhoff Luger " by Jim Dickson, guys. It's available in the e-book "The Gun Digest 2011". It goes back as far as to discuss the first offering by Hugo Bouchard. Pretty in depth stuff on the '08 too.
Also a good article on 455's as well. And 45 AR in a separate article.
If you are fond of turn-of-the-century weapons...it is surprisingly good.
KOBO is who I got it through
 
Eaglelord, thanks for the update.

But I would really love to know where this load came from:

"7.62 bullet has a minet bullet effect when fired in order to seal the gas and hug the lands of the barrel. That's why they made these cartridges hot. If the charge is reduced then accuracy drops no matter if fired from broom handle or tt33............Most of the dammage in firearms happens due to use of steel cases in x25 cal production. Steel is harder on the action of firearms than brass. Most damage in broom handles is from use of steel cased ammo and not from pressure charge of the cartridge."

I have been studying and specializing in collecting 7.63 Mauser and 7.62 Tokarev cartridges and lore for about 25 years. This info above is "complete news" to me, and makes no sense at all. There are many different designs of 7.62 and 7.63 projectiles, but none of them are "Minié" bullets. And steel cartridge cases, a relatively small part of the overall Tokarev production, are soft, mild steel, not the hardened ordnance steel of gun parts. Many long and short arms use steel and brass cased ammunition with no problem at all, but somehow Mauser Broomhandles self-destruct with their first wiff of steel??? Come on folks..........just what are you reading??? If a Mauser pistol is already suffering from damage and neglect, like many that came out of China, any constant use of factory ammo can cause damage. Poor production or design of CZ52 or TT pistols can lead to damage with constant use of factory ammo. But all of these pistols have gone through a factory proofing system that stresses them to 30%, 40% or even 50% over-pressure. Do you honestly believe that a mag full of ammo possibly 5% to 10% over what you shot last week is suddenly going to cause your undamaged and well-maintained pistol to detonate???
 
How many over pressure rounds are guns are proofed with? Shooting two over pressure cartridges is not the same as running a steady diet of ammunition that is too hot.
 
I'm going to go with jonnyc on the skeptical view on the 'minie theory'
Politely...you need to study that a bit more gewr76.
jonnyc, thanks for your input. It's rare that we hear from someone who has experience with Broomhandles, usually it's a Google search results.
I do know that the 7.62 x 25 is a p*sscutter of a round, I'd rather find myself carrying a weapon in this caliber than a 9mm ( it could be also that the subgun 9mm is impressive too) and possibly the 45 ACP. But that's a big claim that I'll never be able to answer accurately.
Could always load up a 9mm to subgun levels, a Tokarev would likely handle it. I've read, of fellows chambering them up to 9 x 23 in the states, the magazine well is large enough already...hmmm, tangential distraction.
But I'm fairly certain that Broomhandles were designed to run hot ammo; just read of 1400 fps @ Mauser's request.
Good entertainment throughout gentlemen.
 
Any pistol FMJ that has exposed base is capable of Minet bullet effect. When those 35000psi kick it in the ass during firing it will expand and hugg the lands of the barrel like no tomorrow.
johnyc and tokguy, pull some bullets and examine them. These bullets all have exposed ass with copper jacket lip that forms to the lands of the barrel. I'm surprised that with all of your knowledge you overlooked this. This goes for 9mm or any other real FMJ design bullets.
As for brass vs steel you won't find any literature on this as its all comes from observation and experience. Let me give you one example, when hard surfase is rubbed against other hard surfase, wouldn't it leave a mark on the hard surfaces?
Steel case does not form to chamber as readily as brass does and if used in firearm that was designed for brass cases then with time something will let go and dammage will occur.
As I stated before, if one is shooting steel cases in cheap gun OK. They will get may be 5k or 10 k shots, if one shoots brass they will get much more out of the firearm.
 
Well, short of P.O.ing all at the range by rooting around the backstop with a pocket knife...I can neither prove nor disprove your theory.
Hence, the term...politely.
Perhaps someone here has reloading experience with this round and can speak up as to this theory.
When I think minie, I think 8 - 10 thou on either side of the bullet...perhaps that is where we see things differently. I speculating here but I'm pretty sure the bullet won't drop through the bbl, like a HB or minie bullet will.
Just saying.
 
Some aspect of your "Minie Effect" can happen with any open-based FMJ bullet, but the effect would be exceedingly small and not one of the design parameters......just dumb blind luck. And if a steel case does not conform to the chamber as well as brass, which is the case, you would tend to get a lot more dirt but lower pressure as a result, not higher, damaging pressure.
You guys can continue to try and rationalize a fallacy, but that's all it is. If there is anything else, please see the above. ;)
 
I'm a tad shy on things like using ad-hoc loadings.
Had a Steyr - Hahn grenade in my hand, for no discernable reason. It'll change the way you look at things like ad-hoc cartridges.
Glad the FSU stuff worked out well for you.
 
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