And you called me stupid.
I'll try and help you out a little, seeing this thread is a little advanced for you.
So here goes;
I've got your nose.
715t 25 rd mags
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And you called me stupid.
I'll try and help you out a little, seeing this thread is a little advanced for you.
So here goes;
I've got your nose.
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Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity
Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72
Background
The maximum capacity of a cartridge magazine is set out in Part 4 of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted. The Regulations prescribe “prohibited devices”, and a magazine that has a capacity which exceeds the maximum permitted capacity is a prohibited device. Businesses can be in possession of prohibited devices if appropriately licensed. However, individuals may not possess prohibited devices.
The magazine regulations have been in force since 1993. However, in recent years, new cartridge magazines have been introduced which have resulted in novel situations as it concerns the application of the Regulations. There has been no change to the Regulations. Nonetheless, the application of the existing Regulations to a few new products has given the appearance of a change in the law. This has been particularly evident in the case of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for more than one type of firearm.
Purpose
The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.
Current Issues
1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
•the 10 round magazine is unregulated
•the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device
Example 2*: The Ruger BX-25 magazine, chambered for 22 LR calibre, is designed and manufactured for use in the Ruger SR22 rifle, the 10/22 family of rifles/carbines and the 22 Charger handgun. As a result, this magazine is a prohibited device unless modified so its capacity is 10 cartridges or less. (*This information was not included in the original version of this bulletin, but was added on 2013-09-05.)
2. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.
Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
•magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.
3. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity. Magazines that are designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles are subject to the semiautomatic rifle limit of five cartridges.
Example:
Remington model 7615 pump action rifle chambered for 223 Remington caliber:
•the 10 round magazine is prohibited
•the five round magazine is unregulated
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.
5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.
Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.
For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program by one of the following methods:
telephone: 1 800-731-4000
web site: www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm
e-mail: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
read the purpose section beginning at.... Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.
also current issues...........Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity.
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
clearly the 25 rd magazine states directly on the back of the packaging.......original factory equipment for use with 715/tactical .22 model only
end of story
well, here the end of the story
These threads come up often, mainly because new members don't know and the search function sucks. This have been picked apart by a lot of people. I remember when Mossberg put the original letter out, many people on here thought that was the Law lol. For me these mags are legal because I purchased the gun and the mags , which were designed and manufactured before the pistol even existed. Since there was no pistol back then , it's impossible for my mags to have been designed or manufactured for it. Since the pistol has been released it may be argued that the mags made from that day on are manufatured for both. But as far as I know all 25 rnd mags stopped entering Canada when the pistol was made, therefore all mags in Canada was designed and manufactured for the rifle only. That's my opinion, you guys can have yours the same way the RCMP has theirs. The only one that's going to count is the judges , if it ever gets that far. Which I highly doubt. And let's say if someone did get charged and found guilty, let's say said person does not use CGN. He tells the judge he bought his rifle and 25 rnd mags and never knew there was a pistol. How could anyone expect a person to know? There was no letter or bulletins released. I think the judge would dismiss that case pretty fast.
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If you are so certain they are legal, you can have my pinned to 10 magazine, drill it out and load up to 25 round then walk into RCMP station, ask them if it's legal. Once you do that and walk out without being arrested I'll believe you. I'll bet you 100$ you get arrested.
On top of everything already said...........has ANYONE been hassled once by law enforcement about these magazines??
I had several CFO techs all in my business and everything is all good to them, hence why they returned all of my property.
Just take your own 10 round pinned magazine there and ask for a clarification.
Do include the post by westarm showing the packaging and the post below it.
Let us know what you get, nobody else should be put at any risk just because you disagree with them and want them to go get an answer for you.
He thinks it's legal, let him prove it. I already know what the answer is, whatever the SFSS says it is. Then you have to battle it out in court.
You think it's illegal. Prove it. Just because you're posting something that could have been written by anyone, doesn't make it "law". There are people on this forum who have had the exact opposite response, to the exact same question. Hardly the "consensus" if you ask me.
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To just get arrested would prove nothing! It would need to get to court and a decision given there would give you a legal definition.
I just went through this when I recently purchased a S&W MP 15 22. The same thing the original 32 rd mags were made prohibited when the 15 22p pistol came out and S&W advertised the mags could be used in both. The transfer went on for several months because the rifle was registered as 32 rounds shot capacity. Finally got phoned by the firearms section and they told me that they were notifying me and noting that they had advised me that the original mags had to be pinned to 10 rounds or they were prohibited .They put the transfer through. Bought some after market mags that were advertised exclusively for the rifle only. They hold 35 rounds and are legal as they are only designed for the rifle.
The packaging means nothing! Its for both rifles now that they have both versions.
Thus prohib.
Laws dont need to make sense.
Look at the BX25 mags. They are a no no unless pinned but the gsg 110 drum its fine.
Agreed - the law says that mag capacity is based on the firearm and calibre it was designed and manufactured for. All three of my 715T mags were manufactured a year or two before any pistol came out that would accept them. They were never designed or manufactured for a pistol - no such pistol existed when they were designed and manufactured.
Since a new firearm that takes these mags, it means they all have to be pinned.
ignorance isnt an excuse.
As far as packaging goes, the Bx25x2 says only for the 10/22 family of rifles and lists them off.
However, only on a dealers catalogue does it say also for the Charger.
Thus the Bx25x2 is prohib unless pinned.
Trust me on this. I delt with the CBSA for a year on this.
ignorance isnt an excuse.
As far as packaging goes, the Bx25x2 says only for the 10/22 family of rifles and lists them off.
However, only on a dealers catalogue does it say also for the Charger.
Thus the Bx25x2 is prohib unless pinned.
Trust me on this. I delt with the CBSA for a year on this.
Excuse my ignorance as I have given up on trying to understand Canadian gun laws but if Ruger were to repackage their BX-25 mags as BX-25-Canadian that state there are designed for use in the 10/22 only they would be legal?
It makes you scratch your head. Funny thing is there have been Mossbergs sold on this forum with 25 round mags. How many uninformed people in this country have these mags? The kind of people that believe that the magazine sold with their non-restricted rifle are fully legal and aren't as connected as we are? Just seems like a legal nightmare and somewhat unfair. I know the law doesn't need to be fair but it's just crazy.
Those mags were the biggest selling point on an otherwise POS rifle. Then again, we're a small market so why would Mossberg care. Now people in the states can buy a POS pistol to accompany their POS rifle.
It makes you scratch your head. Funny thing is there have been Mossbergs sold on this forum with 25 round mags. How many uninformed people in this country have these mags? The kind of people that believe that the magazine sold with their non-restricted rifle are fully legal and aren't as connected as we are? Just seems like a legal nightmare and somewhat unfair. I know the law doesn't need to be fair but it's just crazy.
Those mags were the biggest selling point on an otherwise POS rifle. Then again, we're a small market so why would Mossberg care. Now people in the states can buy a POS pistol to accompany their POS rifle.
And that's what it is all about.
