7mm-08 VS .308

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For paper punching 100yds - 1000yds whats your choice and why? I am looking for a rifle that will have excellent barrel life (lots of shooting) good enough ballistics to get to 1000yds, and feed well from a detachable mag. I see both have great choices of brass (norma,win,nosler,lapua) and both have good selections of match bullets(matchking,a-max,berger) so what one and why?


Before the people that jump in and say search I searched
7mm-08
7mm08
.308
308

and put in for the last 6months on all of them in the precision forum and got no results so yes I tried :D
 
The search has been dumb lately, dunno why.

It comes down to personal preference. The 7mm bullets are more ballistic coefficient than 308 so you can push them farther flatter. Check out bergers website and you can look up the different bullets and the ballistic coefficiency.

Then google jbm ballistics and punch in the bullet weight and the caliber and ballistic coefficiency and then you can see the difference. The 308 will have more energy at closer ranges but looses a lot of steam at 800 yards.

I prefer the 7mm myself, although I don't shoot 7mm-08 but decided on 7mmRm over 300WM for that reason.
 
Ballistically, the 7-08 leaves the 308 in the dust for the same amount of recoil.

Barrel life will be slightly shorter then the 308 but that is what you get with better ballistics.

Also, consider the 260 Rem. Less recoil and similar LR ballistics. Barrel life is shorter still.

Jerry
 
Personally I find the 7mm has more kick than a 308 but ya its all the same. just get a heavy gun.

The 308 is a great round but 4 really long range the 7mm is your best bet. 6.5x284 is even better.
 
The 7-08 is a good cartridge, however the most outstanding 7mm/284 bullets are too heavy to work optimally in a 7-08.

I agree with Jerry that a 260 is pretty hard to beat. It has plenty of horse power to drive the heaviest 6.5 bullets, and you will be hard pressed to find a bigger and better selection of match bullets than in 6.5mm (except in 30 cal)

Before I went 6.5X284, I would go plain 284. With the newer powders (RL-17) this cartridge is becoming frightening at 1000M
 
I like the 7mm-08 and have since it's introduction. However, I don't think it will shoot as well as a 308.
The 7mm-08 recoils less than a 308 with bullets of equal BC but recoil of the 260 is lighter yet.
Bottom line, if choosing between the 7mm-08 and the 308, I would go with the 308. Regards, Bill.
 
I like the 7mm-08 and have since it's introduction. However, I don't think it will shoot as well as a 308.
The 7mm-08 recoils less than a 308 with bullets of equal BC but recoil of the 260 is lighter yet.
Bottom line, if choosing between the 7mm-08 and the 308, I would go with the 308. Regards, Bill.

I disagree, The 7mm-08 inherited the accuracy of the 308. Both are very accurate. I have and had both in precision rigs. the 7mm-08 excels with bullets from 120 to 150 grains. Any heavier and you need to look at the 280. The 308 pushes a heavier bullet but runs out of jam quicker. If your only shooting out to 500 to 1000 both will do just fine.the 7mm will get there easier. Flip a coin.
 
I like the 7mm-08 and have since it's introduction. However, I don't think it will shoot as well as a 308.

Bill, I always find your posts informative and interesting, but I can't figure out why you suggest that a 7mm bullet fired from a barrel of equal quality would be less accurate than a .30 caliber bullet of equal quality and BC. Both rounds, the .308 and the 7-08 have a 20 degree shoulder, so that isn't it. High quality match bullets are available in 7mm, so that's not it. Please explain.
 
I've been firing rifles built in both calibers for over thirty years. Much longer than that for the 308. I bought a reamer for the 7mm-08 before we had any rifles in the store. Over the years, I've built quite a few 7mm-08's and found them to shoot quite well but not as well as a similarily constructed 308.
A 7mm-08, built as a heavy varmint class bench rest rifle, can be expected to shoot a bit better than .4 moa. This doesn't mean it won't turn in the occasional sub 1/4 minute group but, on average it just won't quite do it.
A 308, built in the same way, is capable of honest 1/4 moa performance although it is, admittedly, difficult for most people to shoot it to that level.
Of course, the truth is, there is little difference between a 1/4 minute rifle and a 3/8 minute rifle when fired at long range at a 1 minute bull anda cartridge with superior ballistics may even give enough advantage in the wind to make up for the difference. I just think the 308 is easier to tune and is capable of better accuracy than the 7mm-08.
A lot of the reason is due to bore capacity and the suitable powders for various bullet weights. The capacity of the 7mm-08 is just a little bit wrong although some of the newer powders may do the trick. The same sort of problem can arise with the 308 when we are using heavy bullets. Not quite enough capacity for the slower powders and too much for the faster ones. This is one reason I've always kind of thought a 7.62x55 might be just right for pushing 190's for instance. Going in the other direction, hunter class BR shooters have pretty well settled on a smaller case to shoot best with bullets in the 115 to 130 grain range.
Some of the hunter class guys tried the 7mm-08 pretty thoroughly 25 years ago and couldn't get it to work well enough to win even with custom bullets and slower twisted barrels. Some shot really well but couldn't compete with the 308's when it came scoring time.
So, when I say the 7mm-08 won't shoot as well as a 308 I'm not saying it sucks. I'm just saying the 308 can be taken to levels the 7 won't reach.
By the way, I don't think the 6.5's will shoot as well either but they are so much easier to shoot to their potential that they can win over the more difficult to handle 308. Especially when one is shooting from a prone position, reduced recoil is a real help. This is one of the main reasons the 6BR works so well.
Now, when somebody cleans up with a 7mm-08 and kicks my wrinkled butt in the process, I reserve the right to chamge my tune! Regards, Bill.
 
Bill, we have so many 'tween powders and a few superb 7mm bullets that I don't see any issues with excellent accuracy. The 168gr Berger would be an ideal choice for this case capacity for moderate LR F class. The 162gr Amax is no slouch either but the teeny tiny groups will likely be found with the Bergers.

There is no doubt for the LR game, the benefits of higher BC outweigh any small accuracy advantage if it exists. The 6PPC and 30BR are superbly accurate SR options but I don't think are going to do so well at 500m when the wind blows.

As you know accuracy is relative. Change the task and the rules, change what works best...

wonder what would have evolved if SR BR had a 22lbs weight limit?

Jerry

PS Bill, you are absolutely right. STAY AWAY FROM THE 6.5'S. THEY SUCK......303 Brit RULES!!!!!!!

Need all the help I can get :)
 
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The short range unlimited class is just that; unlimited. There is essentially no limit placed on the rifles caliber or configuration. Nonetheless, the most common caliber is (no syrprise) the 6PPC. This is not that surprising when you consider that modern day benchresters are very conservative. The occasional maverick will shoot a 223 based rifle and now and then a 6BR or even a 30 BR. Interestingly enough, the only large commercial cartridge which ever shows up is the 308. Now, I have no doubt that a .25 or a 6.5 or even a 7mm could be made to shoot competitively but most guys figure, "why bother?" Accuracy is the whole thing and ballistics and wind bucking are secondary. As long as wind drift is manageable, that's good enough. An improvement in wind bucking isn't likely to win a match for you.
My comment though was about accuracy comparisons between the 308 and the 7mm-08 and I stand by it. I don't say one can't shoot long range at least as well with a 7mm-08 as with a 308. I just say the 308 is, on average, more accurate. At long range, the difference between .4 and .3 may not be significant but it exists nonetheless. Regards, Bill.
 
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