7mm rem mag... I don't get it.

Im My experience, Realistic velocities with the 7mm mag in a 24" barrel are: 140 grain...3300, 150 grain...3200, 160 grain...3100, and 175 grain...2950
30-06 with a 24" barrel: 150 grain...3050, 165 grain...2950, 180 grain...2850.
Considering that similar weight bullets in 7mm have better BC's than do 30 cal bullets, the 7mm has a distinct advantage all the way out there. That being said, the difference is not a lot, and a guy who knows his rifle and ammo will have no trouble filling his freezer with either chambering. (I have both, and wouldn't consider selling either) Regards, Eagleye.
 
After retiring my old .30-06, I bought a 26" bbl M70 CRF in 7mmRM. It worked fine for several moose and deer. Then one day while I was calling moose in a remote timbered area, a large grizzly decided the "cow moose" he heard would be a great source of protein prior to denning up. After that extremely hair-raising, close range encounter, I decided that the 7mm just wasn't my cup of tea. I switched to a .338 bore for my grizz country moose hunts and a .270 for open country deer. I think that a 24" bbl .280AI would be every bit as useful as a 7Mag in a lighter handier package.
 
of course the 280 AI is a better mousetrap, but we're talking about the 7mm Remington Magnum here :D

my first rifle was chambered in 7mm Remington Magnum. I think I killed twelve black bears, two moose, and five or so deer with it. It hammered most everything on the spot, I was in love.

I bought a chronograph six years after my first shot through it, and chrony'd my long favorite hunting load (63 grains RL22 behind a 160 grain Nosler Partition Gold). My chrony didnt read 3050 fps like I was expecting, it kept reading around 2750 fps...:eek: :redface: I was shooting a "7mm Mauser" all along, and guess what, the 300 fps I was missing, really didnt matter. All my shots came inside 250 yards, and if I placed them right, they were hammers. That day I grew a respect for modest cartridges like the 6.5x55, 7x57, 308, etc, as I had been shooting one all along, but it just so happened my cartridges were headstamped 7mm Rem Mag! :cool: :p

In the area I hunt, the 7mm Rem Mag is the 3rd most popular cartridge, falling behind the 300 Win Mag, and #1 is the 30-06 Springfield. 308 is #4 and 270 Winchester is #5

The 7mm Mag, loaded up, or down, is a lethal big game cartridge. Its no giant slayer, nor is it a "big gun" like alot of guys believe. It shoots as flat as the 270 Winchester and hits as hard as the 30-06, not a bad place to be

my .02

tb
 
Seems to me that the 7mm Rem Mag is the ctg for the guy who wants .30-06 recoil but still brag to his buddies that he hunts with a 'magnum'... :p

Never owned one, not contemplating one... but I do have a love for the 7mm-08 and the 7x57mm... ;)

Besides, I have a rifle in .300 Win Mag... a much more 'manly' magnum... :D



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Eagleye said:
Im My experience, Realistic velocities with the 7mm mag in a 24" barrel are: 140 grain...3300, 150 grain...3200, 160 grain...3100, and 175 grain...2950
30-06 with a 24" barrel: 150 grain...3050, 165 grain...2950, 180 grain...2850.
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Thise numbers are about what I get as well. Although my favorite 140gr TSX 7RM load goes abotu 3200fps. I can live with that.:)
 
Here's the 7mm Rem Mag I'll be playing with on Sunday....a very nice Sako AV I picked up last weekend.....found a pair of Redfield bases that I bought off eBay a couple years ago and stuck one of my 3-9X Leupolds on it....loading 140 TSX's as we speak.....I hope it'll break 3300 like my old 700 did.....

Hey Gate...what's your TSX load?

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I know, I know....I gotta vacuum...and I have to get another photo editor program....
 
After being wedded to the .30 cal for the past 20 years, I converted to the 7mm Rem Mag a couple of years back. Love the cartridge and the performance. It really shines when you work up loads for your specific rifle. Newer reloading manuals and factory ammo are pretty meek compared to what the 7mm Rem Mag can do, while staying within the proper safety margins. I really like the fact that 7mm bullets also have some really great BC. However, I'll never feel undergunned with a .30-06 in my hands.
 
todbartell said:
of course the 280 AI is a better mousetrap, but we're talking about the 7mm Remington Magnum here :D

my first rifle was chambered in 7mm Remington Magnum. I think I killed twelve black bears, two moose, and five or so deer with it. It hammered most everything on the spot, I was in love.

I bought a chronograph six years after my first shot through it, and chrony'd my long favorite hunting load (63 grains RL22 behind a 160 grain Nosler Partition Gold). My chrony didnt read 3050 fps like I was expecting, it kept reading around 2750 fps...:eek: :redface: I was shooting a "7mm Mauser" all along, and guess what, the 300 fps I was missing, really didnt matter. All my shots came inside 250 yards, and if I placed them right, they were hammers. That day I grew a respect for modest cartridges like the 6.5x55, 7x57, 308, etc, as I had been shooting one all along, but it just so happened my cartridges were headstamped 7mm Rem Mag! :cool: :p

In the area I hunt, the 7mm Rem Mag is the 3rd most popular cartridge, falling behind the 300 Win Mag, and #1 is the 30-06 Springfield. 308 is #4 and 270 Winchester is #5

The 7mm Mag, loaded up, or down, is a lethal big game cartridge. Its no giant slayer, nor is it a "big gun" like alot of guys believe. It shoots as flat as the 270 Winchester and hits as hard as the 30-06, not a bad place to be

my .02

tb
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All I can say to that is...............holy crap, well said. You won't make any money writing for the gunrag mags, truth is not in their dictionary.:D
 
Rembo

I've posted this a few times

Load work up, 3 shots, differnt charges of IMR 7828

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14 shots, different charges of IMR 7828

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I use a bit more than reccomended data, in a Ruger MKII, Timney trigger and a bedded B&C stock. I don't usually exceed reccomended data, but the 7RM seems to be soft, as I said.

I don't knwo what charge I settled on off the top of my head but I can look it up later.:)
 
303carbine said:
All I can say to that is...............holy crap, well said. You won't make any money writing for the gunrag mags, truth is not in their dictionary.:D
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trust me, I could write an article on the 7mm Rem Mag, the 30-06, then a head-to-head shoot-off

in the end, it'dont matter one fricken bit, but it gives us something to type about at 11:30pm I guess? :confused: :runaway: :D
 
7mm

Nice little chambering, I once had a Browning A Bolt chambered in it.

I've since upgraded to an 8mm Remington Magnum. Speer 150 gr. at 3500 fps or a Hornady 220 gr. at 2900 fps is what I class as a magnum.;)

Arch:)
 
todbartell said:
trust me, I could write an article on the 7mm Rem Mag, the 30-06, then a head-to-head shoot-off

in the end, it'dont matter one fricken bit, but it gives us something to type about at 11:30pm I guess? :confused: :runaway: :D
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I've always considered a 7mm Rem Mag a very loud 30-06. A recent example is a buddies 7mm that I load for and mounted a new 3.5-10 Leupold on the other day. Sighting in 154 Hornadys 3 inches high at 100 put it dead on at 200. Big deal, Hell my .375s shoot flatter than that with 270s:D
Granted, under 250 yards or so it won't make much difference, but at powder-burn range like that damn near everything works about the same. It's a far cry from plastering the cross-hairs of an STW on the ribs of some luckless mammal at 400 ish yards though. Guess what camp I'm in.:D
 
The 7mm Rem Mag is a complete failure - any day now sales will go to zero and all we'll have left is our destiny, the 30/06.

As pointed out, it's failure is due to its inefficiency - it uses a full 10 grains more powder than a 30/06 for velocity you don't need. Those unneeded 10 grains add $0.05 to the cost of a deer!
 
why bother with magnums? Well some people need the ability to shoot 4 yards farther or 20 feet per second faster in order to bag their deer.I'm not a magnum person and I use a .280 that will shoot right along with any 7mm accuracy wise who need more than that.
 
Most hunters do not reload, and for those who hunt the wide open spaces the 7 Mag is a great cartridge for game up to 1000 pounds. To my way of thinking however, the .284 bore is somewhat limited due to the lack of heavy bullets available for it when compared to .30 caliber cartridges of .30-06 capacity or larger.

The real question should be, does the 7 mag offer any real advantage over the .280 Remington, and the answer to that is in how you configure your rifle. The 7 mag in a rifle with a 26" barrel would be big medicine for the velocity addict, but in a rifle with a handier 22" barrel, it will probably produce exactly the same velocity as the .280, and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
Why not? said:
Actually, it is at the extended ranges where you really do see considerable difference between these two cartridges.

Ted
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Yes Ted that is true. That also is a whole different can of worms. :runaway:

I use 400 yards as a "limit" when talking cartridges as that is about the distance that even the flattest shooting cartridges require "hold-over" or scope adjustment to put the bullet in the kill zone. (This is with a scope sighted in for "normal" hunting conditions)

400 yards is also the point where even a mild cross wind can cause big problems. Small mistakes in estimating wind direction and speed can turn a killing shot into a miss or worse a crippling shot. While range finders have turned into a wonderful, affordable tool for most hunters I have yet to see a gadget that can calculate the wind drift for you in the field. That takes experience which is sadly lacking in the majority of shooters I have seen shooting at different ranges and in the field over the last 30-odd years. (Have you ever noticed that these incredibly detailed tales see on the Internet these days about these wonderful long range shots quote distances to the foot and bullet trajectory to the inch but allowances for wind-drift are never mentioned?)

So yes, the 7mm Rem does hold a small advantage over the '06 at extreme ranges but the truth is Joe Average hunter does not have the skills to effectively use that advantage.
 
You are right on, 'Boo!

Wind is the biggest competitor we go up against in accurate shooting. It's amazing how many guys have no idea how much even a 10 mph cross wind can move a bullet.....and that is just a barely perceptible breeze against your cheek.
And, don't even get me started on a fishtail gust from behind. :rolleyes:

As well, I would bet any amount of money there aren't two guys in a hundred who can hit a paper plate every time at 300 yds, let alone 400, in the field.

Ted
 
The 7mm RUM or mags using 180gr VLD will work wonders and a 30 cal will need to shoot 240ish gr bullets to match the BC. Recoil will pin you with the 240gr but the added benefit will be more energy down range. Personally the 180 7mm VLD Berger is plenty out to 1000 yards.

Now if there was only Lapua 7mm RUM brass............
 
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