Since he is running out of forums that still allow him as a member, I guess that we can expect to see more of his personal attacks on this forum.
7mm Rem Mag vs 7mm Wby Mag?
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Since he is running out of forums that still allow him as a member, I guess that we can expect to see more of his personal attacks on this forum.
Yikes! What's a Marsburn?
Tough Crowd!
You can't finish much of anything...except a roll of film?
Not hardly, but you keep on with your imagination and pretend. See below about the difference between opinion and fact?
Last time I checked, this is an internet forum, and it should really be taken as such. It's a bunch of anonymous guys, and gals, posting up their opinions on pretty much everything. The problem, as usual, is when those opinions become facts. They are not. The other issue is that a few people like to take themselves extremely seriously, on an internet forum, as some way to elevate themselves over others. it is supposed to be entertaining, no? As far as personal attacks? Really? Wouldn't I have to know someone, personally, in order to attack them? Stop taking everything so seriously, including yourselves. It makes life a lot easier.
If nothing else. this should put my posts into perspective...for those that take things to heart, and think that this is real life. It isn't even close!
R.
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The issue with cases with cavernous capacity's, up until recently, has been their length. The 7 RUM is a great example of this, as a lot of that capacity is wasted due to the fact that the bullet has to be seated deeply in order for the cartridge to fit in most magazines. The 28 Nosler, 7 LRM, and 7-375 Ruger, while basically all the same, solve this issue, by being shorter, and fatter (reference the pictures in this thread), allowing bullets to be seated out further, and capturing almost all of the usable case capacity, making for a much more efficient cartridge.
Probably exactly what you were saying...but just from a different perspective.
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That Chuck, is a put down.
You know he meant Mashburn, surely?
Really, this whole show wouldn't exist, if you took some initiative, and found out a way to make your Model 70 feed the Ruger case. It's what you want to do, so not really sure why you think it can't be done, as it has been done already.
Then again, you really like shows.
R.
its what I want to do? If I wanted to do it I would do it. It's not what I want to do and never was.
Now can you please go away. Or at least follow your own advice and talk about things you have first hand experience with. Wow!
Now can you please go away. Or at least follow your own advice and talk about things you have first hand experience with. Wow!
I must have misunderstood? There was another show, not that long ago, all about wanting to get a 7-375 Ruger to feed in a Model 70 that you wanted to build, but couldn't manage to make happen, somehow? Hence this show, asking what you can chamber, based upon what you can get to feed?
And, I am following my own advice, if only obviously.
Wow indeed.
R.
Funny how you like to twist facts, when it suits you? Yup. Banned from AO! Fact! Along with many others...
And not the "type of behaviour" at all. Not even close. Most understand how that forum works.
Not sure what any of that has to do with Chuck's dilemma about not being able to get a 7-375 case to feed in a Model 70 though?
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I was looking into the 375 Ruger. Not the 7-375 Ruger. I now own a 375 Ruger.
And not sure why Chuck's "not being able to get a 7-375 case to feed in a model 70" has anything to do with his question regarding two 7mm cartridges .....
Gentlemen.........what is all the sniping about? CN would seem to be an experienced hunter and was asking questions about 2 different 7mm magnum cartridges, where did all the animosity come from Rman?..........jealousy perhaps......
CN.....I have built and hunted with many different 7mms, from the 7 TCU to the 7 RUM including a 7mm-300 WBY, 7mm-300 WM, 7X68 imp, 7mm Wby, 7mm RM, 7mm STW...............and I can tell you from experience that almost all of them fall in the same ballistic corridor(speaking magnums and magnum wildcats). The only real step up is the 7mm RUM and only with a 26" or longer barrel. When loaded to it's full potential, it jumps from the pack by nearly 400 fps. However one of the nicest balanced cartridges, which did give a decent edge over the Wby and RM was the 7mm-300 WM, and still feed through an unmodified standard magnum action. Brass is cheap and very easily obtainable and existing chambers clean up nicely when taken out to the 300 case. The other was the 7X68 imp, but brass is anything but cheap or easy to get. This cartridge is identical to the 7mm-375 Ruger in ballistics and case capacity and is almost a dimensional twin........ballistics are identical to the 7mm-300 WM. I cannot speak to the ballistics of the 28 Nosler (7mm Dakota) as I have never tried one but I have a financial allergy to any case which costs 4 bucks apiece and I already own most of the big 7s anyway and it will never be a 7 RUM. Cases are also a real pain to make from RUM brass as one is attempting to make the neck area of the Nosler from the body area of the RUM, a sh!t load of work and many ruined cases trying to get that fat body down to 7mm...............
The other nice thing about the 7mm-300 WM is you can do all your loading procedures with a set of 300 WM and a set of 7mm RM dies.......you may want to give this simple wildcat a try if you want something different. I personally love my 7mm RUM, it is a 700 CDL in blue and walnut and shoots 1/2 moa when I'm having a good day, with 160 Nosler ABs and a shovel full of RL 25.
Of the two you stated for your choice, I would be different from the pack, in that I would chose the 7mm Wby.......You can make your brass from 7mm RM, or if you want the full length neck you can use 300 WM cases but they are more work as you must neck turn the donut you end up with. I have done both and found no advantage to the extra .040" of neck length. What you do get with the Wby will be a longer throat which allows you to seat bullets out and make full use of the Mod 70 magazine length and allows the use of more powder and about 100 fps more from a 24" barrel. You can take my experience for what it's worth, but at least it is experience and not internet conjecture.
CN.....I have built and hunted with many different 7mms, from the 7 TCU to the 7 RUM including a 7mm-300 WBY, 7mm-300 WM, 7X68 imp, 7mm Wby, 7mm RM, 7mm STW...............and I can tell you from experience that almost all of them fall in the same ballistic corridor(speaking magnums and magnum wildcats). The only real step up is the 7mm RUM and only with a 26" or longer barrel. When loaded to it's full potential, it jumps from the pack by nearly 400 fps. However one of the nicest balanced cartridges, which did give a decent edge over the Wby and RM was the 7mm-300 WM, and still feed through an unmodified standard magnum action. Brass is cheap and very easily obtainable and existing chambers clean up nicely when taken out to the 300 case. The other was the 7X68 imp, but brass is anything but cheap or easy to get. This cartridge is identical to the 7mm-375 Ruger in ballistics and case capacity and is almost a dimensional twin........ballistics are identical to the 7mm-300 WM. I cannot speak to the ballistics of the 28 Nosler (7mm Dakota) as I have never tried one but I have a financial allergy to any case which costs 4 bucks apiece and I already own most of the big 7s anyway and it will never be a 7 RUM. Cases are also a real pain to make from RUM brass as one is attempting to make the neck area of the Nosler from the body area of the RUM, a sh!t load of work and many ruined cases trying to get that fat body down to 7mm...............
The other nice thing about the 7mm-300 WM is you can do all your loading procedures with a set of 300 WM and a set of 7mm RM dies.......you may want to give this simple wildcat a try if you want something different. I personally love my 7mm RUM, it is a 700 CDL in blue and walnut and shoots 1/2 moa when I'm having a good day, with 160 Nosler ABs and a shovel full of RL 25.
Of the two you stated for your choice, I would be different from the pack, in that I would chose the 7mm Wby.......You can make your brass from 7mm RM, or if you want the full length neck you can use 300 WM cases but they are more work as you must neck turn the donut you end up with. I have done both and found no advantage to the extra .040" of neck length. What you do get with the Wby will be a longer throat which allows you to seat bullets out and make full use of the Mod 70 magazine length and allows the use of more powder and about 100 fps more from a 24" barrel. You can take my experience for what it's worth, but at least it is experience and not internet conjecture.
I have a 7x300 Weatherby ! BIG step up from the 7 MM Rem mag - 200 + fps with any 140-175 gr bullet ! The 7x300 Winchester Mag cartridge is known as the 7 MM PRACTICAL - Very Good Cartridge aalso with a shorter lenght ! Check out Nathan Foster at www.ballisticstudies.com
Cheers RJ
Cheers RJ
I have a 7x300 Weatherby ! BIG step up from the 7 MM Rem mag - 200 + fps with any 140-175 gr bullet ! The 7x300 Winchester Mag cartridge is known as the 7 MM PRACTICAL - Very Good Cartridge aalso with a shorter lenght ! Check out Nathan Foster at www.ballisticstudies.com
Cheers RJ
Also known as the 7x66 Argentine/Randall, and the 7mm Yukon. Good choice. I had a 7-300 Wby for a while, ballistically it was identical to my 7 STW. I'm in between 7 Wby's at the moment, still have a Win 70 in 7 RM. Really for a hunting rifle there isn't much difference . I prefer the Wby to the Rem, but for no practical reason whatsoever. My personal favorites are the STW and 7x61 S&H. As mentioned though , purely practical, go with the same Rem Mag. - dan
