Yeah, that's one option. I'm not sure a 7mm wsm is a big enough step up from my 270 to be worth the bother though, If it isn't well suited for the heavier pills. If a short action was a necessity it would be great but I'm not so sure I care about action size too much...
7mm Rem Mag vs 7mm WSM in a long action??
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Yeah, that's one option. I'm not sure a 7mm wsm is a big enough step up from my 270 to be worth the bother though, If it isn't well suited for the heavier pills. If a short action was a necessity it would be great but I'm not so sure I care about action size too much...
180gr Berger VLD's :
7mm Rem Mag
Code:
Cartridge : 7 mm Rem Mag
Bullet : .284, 180, Berger Hunt VLD #28502
Useable Case Capaci: 74.964 grain H2O = 4.867 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 103 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
39 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant RL33 100.6 75.4 4.89 2949 97.4 60000 15386 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 102.3 71.1 4.61 2945 100.0 60000 13657 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL26 86.5 64.3 4.17 2888 100.0 60000 13014 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL25 95.3 65.5 4.25 2887 100.0 60000 12800 1.221 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 99.4 68.0 4.40 2882 99.8 60000 13261 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 94.4 63.4 4.11 2878 99.6 60000 13443 1.216 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828ssc 89.3 63.4 4.11 2878 99.6 60000 13443 1.216 ! Near Maximum !
AA MagPro 90.4 66.4 4.30 2875 98.4 60000 14045 1.230 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL22 90.3 63.1 4.09 2857 99.9 60000 13219 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 90.5 68.1 4.41 2846 100.0 60000 12712 1.227 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL19 88.0 60.8 3.94 2823 99.9 60000 12661 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL23 91.8 62.1 4.02 2812 100.0 60000 11764 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831sc 89.6 62.6 4.05 2808 99.1 60000 12688 1.227 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 93.2 62.6 4.05 2808 99.1 60000 12688 1.227 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron 91.2 61.3 3.97 2782 99.3 60000 12339 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 86.4 58.4 3.79 2769 100.0 60000 11671 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 87.2 57.7 3.74 2761 100.0 60000 11270 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron 96.1 65.7 4.26 2741 93.9 60000 12276 1.230 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 85.3 57.0 3.70 2736 100.0 60000 10633 1.253 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US869 103.0 75.8 4.91 2727 89.3 52968 13601 1.302 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 103.0 72.3 4.68 2717 85.1 52967 13645 1.302 ! Near Maximum !7 WSM seated 1 caliber deep (.284" bullet shank below case mouth) @ 3.084" OAL
Code:
Cartridge : 7 mm WSM
Bullet : .284, 180, Berger Hunt VLD #28502
Useable Case Capaci: 73.732 grain H2O = 4.787 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.084 inch = 78.34 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 103 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
38 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant RL33 101.1 74.6 4.83 2948 97.4 60000 15100 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 102.9 70.3 4.56 2943 100.0 60000 13402 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL26 87.0 63.6 4.12 2887 100.0 60000 12772 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL25 95.9 64.8 4.20 2886 100.0 60000 12561 1.226 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 99.9 67.2 4.35 2879 99.7 60000 13005 1.211 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828ssc 89.7 62.6 4.06 2876 99.6 60000 13187 1.221 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 94.8 62.6 4.06 2876 99.6 60000 13187 1.221 ! Near Maximum !
AA MagPro 90.8 65.6 4.25 2873 98.4 60000 13776 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL22 90.7 62.3 4.04 2854 99.9 60000 12970 1.238 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 90.9 67.3 4.36 2844 100.0 60000 12471 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL19 88.4 60.1 3.89 2820 99.9 60000 12417 1.238 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL23 92.3 61.4 3.98 2810 100.0 60000 11541 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831sc 90.0 61.8 4.01 2805 99.1 60000 12440 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 93.6 61.8 4.01 2805 99.1 60000 12440 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron 91.6 60.6 3.92 2778 99.3 60000 12097 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 86.8 57.7 3.74 2765 100.0 60000 11443 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 85.2 57.6 3.73 2764 100.0 60000 11412 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 87.6 57.0 3.69 2758 100.0 60000 11050 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron 96.5 64.9 4.20 2736 93.8 60000 12022 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 85.7 56.4 3.65 2734 100.0 60000 10425 1.259 ! Near Maximum !7mm rem mag 195gr Berger EOL
7 WSM seated to 3.223" OAL
Code:
Cartridge : 7 mm Rem Mag
Bullet : .284, 195, Berger ElHunt #28550
Useable Case Capaci: 72.286 grain H2O = 4.693 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 103 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
40 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant RL33 99.6 72.0 4.66 2830 98.1 60000 14846 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 101.3 67.9 4.40 2819 100.0 60000 13051 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL26 85.6 61.3 3.97 2761 100.0 60000 12417 1.287 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 98.5 64.9 4.21 2760 99.9 60000 12692 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL25 94.3 62.5 4.05 2760 100.0 60000 12220 1.271 ! Near Maximum !
AA MagPro 89.5 63.4 4.11 2756 98.9 60000 13503 1.278 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828ssc 88.3 60.5 3.92 2755 99.8 60000 12860 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 93.4 60.5 3.92 2755 99.8 60000 12860 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL22 89.4 60.2 3.90 2735 100.0 60000 12630 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 89.6 65.0 4.21 2724 100.0 60000 12136 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL19 87.2 58.1 3.77 2702 100.0 60000 12103 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831sc 88.8 59.8 3.88 2690 99.5 60000 12182 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 92.4 59.8 3.88 2690 99.5 60000 12182 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL23 90.9 59.2 3.84 2687 100.0 60000 11234 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron 90.5 58.7 3.80 2666 99.6 60000 11851 1.282 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 85.6 55.8 3.62 2649 100.0 60000 11142 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US869 103.0 73.1 4.74 2647 90.9 54458 13395 1.339 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 103.0 69.7 4.52 2638 86.9 54451 13473 1.339 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 86.4 55.1 3.57 2638 100.0 60000 10755 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron 95.4 62.9 4.08 2630 94.8 60000 11894 1.280 ! Near Maximum !7 WSM seated to 3.223" OAL
Code:
Cartridge : 7 mm WSM
Bullet : .284, 195, Berger ElHunt #28550
Useable Case Capaci: 73.282 grain H2O = 4.758 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.223 inch = 81.87 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 103 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
40 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant RL33 98.9 72.5 4.70 2835 98.2 60000 14937 1.287 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 100.7 68.4 4.43 2823 100.0 60000 13113 1.257 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 97.9 65.4 4.24 2767 100.0 60000 12763 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL26 85.0 61.8 4.00 2765 100.0 60000 12476 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL25 93.7 62.9 4.08 2763 100.0 60000 12279 1.276 ! Near Maximum !
AA MagPro 88.9 63.9 4.14 2763 99.1 60000 13589 1.283 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828ssc 87.8 60.9 3.95 2760 99.9 60000 12932 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 92.8 60.9 3.95 2760 99.9 60000 12932 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL22 88.9 60.7 3.93 2741 100.0 60000 12695 1.285 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 89.0 65.5 4.24 2729 100.0 60000 12198 1.282 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL19 86.7 58.6 3.80 2709 100.0 60000 12170 1.285 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831sc 88.3 60.3 3.91 2697 99.6 60000 12263 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 91.9 60.3 3.91 2697 99.6 60000 12263 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL23 90.3 59.7 3.87 2691 100.0 60000 11294 1.300 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron 90.0 59.2 3.83 2673 99.7 60000 11931 1.286 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US869 103.0 74.1 4.80 2672 91.5 55493 13611 1.334 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 103.0 70.6 4.58 2663 87.5 55437 13707 1.334 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 85.2 56.3 3.65 2655 100.0 60000 11209 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 85.9 55.5 3.60 2643 100.0 60000 10817 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron 95.0 63.5 4.11 2639 95.0 60000 12004 1.283 ! Near Maximum !Thanks for that. Care to run the numbers at saami spec length?
The berger is only a tiny bit longer than the 162 eld-x? Interesting... I guess the velocity differences between the two loads would be similar then...
I am a hunter first and foremost. That said, I fire far more rounds at the range then afield. The primary purpose would be hunting, but I like having options to do other things with a gun too.
Edit - if I wanted something strictly for target work I would probably go with something like a 260 rem for lighter recoil. Maybe even a 6mm something-something.
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If they both use basically the same amount of powder to produce basically the same velocity, shouldn't barrel life be pretty much equal?
Also what makes the Rem Mag better for hunting?
barrel life should be identical. Same case capacity, same chamber pressure.
7mm Rem Mag would be better for hunting because you can get Remington 175gr Core-Lokt ammo!!!
In theory you would think they would be virtually the same but in practice they are not.
I know guys who have had both. The wsm has much less barrel life .One friend's wsm was completely done with less than 900 rounds.Also, if you do research it is well known about the very poor barrel life of the 7mm wsm. It is very well known in Europe and U.S. I can understand how some might not be aware of this.
For target the wsm is more inherently accurate.
Personally I shoot the 7mm saum because it has much better barrel life than the wsm for 2 reasons. It has less case capacity and a longer neck. I pulled one barrel at 1600 rounds but it was still shooting about 1/2 inch at 100 yards but for that gun those were poor groups.
A 7mm rem mag will give you approx 1500 rounds of accurate barrel life( maybe more) if you shoot 3 shot groups and don't overheat it.Personally I rebarreled my 7mm rem mag at about 2500 rounds( but it was done for awhile).
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