7mm vs 300 Win mag

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I'm looking into buying a new rifle and can't decide between 7mm and 300 Win Mag. This is going to be my all around gun. And I will be shooting moose with it also. I'm gonna be shooting long range with it also. What are some of your suggestions?
 
The .300 is a great all round cartridge, so great that most shooters aren't good enough for it. Practically anyone can shoot a 7mm Rem Mag. Much will come down to your individual recoil tolerance, and nobody else can make that call for you.

I've never noticed that moose are particularily hard to kill.
 
I own and shoot both. I am able to comfortably handle a 7mm shooting 160gr accubonds in a hunter weight rifle without a muzzle brake. I can't do the same with my 300 Win Mag shooting 208gr Amax's/210 bergers. My 300 Win Mag now sports a holland brake and is very comfortable.

I do find that the .308 has better bullet options. If I could only choose one between the two, I'd choose my braked 300 Win Mag.
 
wheels said:
in regards to long range bullets (VLD/match type), 225gr for .30 cal, 180-190gr for 7mm



given it's a smaller diameter, that's a flawed statement.


In the end you can't go wrong with either.
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His point was that to match the BC of a good 7mm bullet, the .300 will need a much heavier bullet, a lot more gun powder, and a bunch more recoil. Probably a heavier rifle, too. Compare the wind drift of a 7mm 162gr A-Max at 3100fps fired from a 7RM or a 7WSM, out to 1800 yards, to a
208gr A-Max fired from a .300RUM (even more powder and recoil than the .300WM), and get back to me regarding how they stack up.

The 7mm gives you more for less. That's definitely the way I'd go if I were the OP.
 
Like the debate going on in the hunting rifle forum between the 7-08 and .308...

There's no rite answer just personal preference.

That said the 300 has some nice bullet options such as the 210gr VLD proven on game past 800yrds.... When in doubt take a peak on the long range hunting forum and see whats popular today.
 
His point was that to match the BC of a good 7mm bullet, the .300 will need a much heavier bullet, a lot more gun powder, and a bunch more recoil.
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And my point is a 7mm is smaller diameter than .30 cal, therefore with the same grain bullet in both, the 7mm will obviously have a better BC. Likewise a .30cal 225gr will have a better bc than a .338 225gr bullet.

From your other posts you've made it quite clear that you feel the 7mm is gods gift to shooting, and that's fine. I stand by my statement that you can't go wrong with either.

And your heavier rifle statement isn't necessarily true either.
 
i own a 300 rum and a 7mm wsm. been hunting with the rum since 2003 and bought the wsm last year cause i was getting tired of the blast from the rum with break.
thinking of selling the rum to buy a swaro to put on the 7wsm.
i wont feel undergunned for moose with the 7mm.
 
Here's what a .300 wm 180gr Winchester power point factory load looks like with my savage fcxp 111 info 300yrd zero

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Here's 7mm 175gr Winchester power point factory info with the same rifle in 7mm

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Anyone got any other data they want to see via I-snipe? I'm bored.
 
wheels said:
And my point is a 7mm is smaller diameter than .30 cal, therefore with the same grain bullet in both, the 7mm will obviously have a better BC. Likewise a .30cal 225gr will have a better bc than a .338 225gr bullet.

From your other posts you've made it quite clear that you feel the 7mm is gods gift to shooting, and that's fine. I stand by my statement that you can't go wrong with either.

And your heavier rifle statement isn't necessarily true either.
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With the same grain the 7mm will obviously have a better BC than it's .30 counterpart, however the 7mm also has better BC with bullets weighing less.

Three very popular bullets in the 7mm for long range work are:

162gr amax with a BC of .625
168gr berger with a BC of .617
180gr berger with a BC of .659

All of these BC's are far superior to anything offered in 30 cal. In any weight with the exception of the 210gr berger (BC .631).

The point that some of the guys are trying to make is that a 162gr amax fired from a 7mm at 3000fps+ will fly flatter and hit harder than a 210gr amax at any speed but fired from a 300 rum. There is no bullet the 300 win mag can shoot, regardless of weight or how hot you load it, that can compare ballisticly with any of the 7mm bullets listed above.

The 7mm will kick less, cost less to shoot, can put it in a lighter gun, fly flatter, have less wind drift and high harder down range then a 300 win mag et al.

Cheers
 
I find the 7mmRM factory loads a bit lethargic in my M70. When reloading it's easy to match the 300 factory velocities and energies on the heaviest bullets.

I have respect for the .300 and consider it one of the greatest cartridges of the 60s, next to the 7mmRM of course.:p

In brute power on large,thick, non dangerous game at short to medium range I'd say 300, if you don't mind a little recoil. I find the 7's recoil even when driving 175s at 3000, is similar to a stout .30-06. The 300 is just up one notch, but no problem here. The high BC bullet in the .284" will catch up of course, and you did say Long Range Hunting, so why not go with the Big 7. Jim Carmichael sold one to me!:)

Hmmmm........shouldn't this be in the hunting thread??
 
wheels said:
And my point is a 7mm is smaller diameter than .30 cal, therefore with the same grain bullet in both, the 7mm will obviously have a better BC. Likewise a .30cal 225gr will have a better bc than a .338 225gr bullet.

From your other posts you've made it quite clear that you feel the 7mm is gods gift to shooting, and that's fine. I stand by my statement that you can't go wrong with either.

And your heavier rifle statement isn't necessarily true either.
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Nobody likes having words put in their mouth, and I'm no exception. The 7mm bullet diameter is not God's gift to shooting, but it is one caliber that is well-suited to LR shooting. Your statement about BC completely supports what I'm saying. Thank you.

The larger the caliber, the heavier the high-BC bullets are going to get. That means that in order to match or exceed the smaller calibers, you'll need a heavier bullet, more powder, more recoil, etc. If a seasoned rifleman wants to move up to a larger caliber in order to take advantage of the higher BC bullets available in those calibers, then that's great, but he has to be willing to accept the powder consumption, recoil, cost, etc, that goes with it. When it comes to external ballistics, a 7mm can beat a 6.5, but only with a heavier bullet and more powder. Likewise a .308" vs. a 7mm, and a .338" vs. a .308". The "heavier bullet" and "more powder" are the key to the larger caliber out-performing the smaller one, which is completely determined by the available bullets in each caliber.

If a guy is coming here for advise on which caliber to buy, then the best choice is probably not a larger caliber with more powder consumption, more muzzle blast, more recoil, and more cost. That's why I usually recommend a 7mm or some sort (7-08, .280, 7RM, or 7WSM), because a 7Mag or .30-06 is usually the upper end of what most guys can shoot well, and within that recoil range 7mm gives you more for less (again, from an external ballistics stand-point).

Step up to a .30-378 with a 230gr Berger, a .338LM or a .338AM shooting a 300gr MK or VLD, and you can ballistically beat the 7RM/7WSM, no argument here. But most guys that are ready to step up to one of those rifles don't need to ask on this forum whether 7mmRM or .300WM is better ;)
 
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