7mm vs .308

I just shoot offhand at track plate at 100 yds.
But it's the internet, I can claim anything that I want...like you just did. No-one cares when you burn 100's rds a month ( if you ain't shooting a milsurp caliber...it's not very believe-able, reloading components in anything other than milsurp sizes would be cost prohibitive)...but they sure sit up when you make outlandish claims.
You might not conside your claim outlandish 45C...most folks do though. Wanna do that 'Big Dyck' claim...got to expect backlash.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Pretty judgmental to bring in $50 scopes into it , that’s low.

So now a hunters budget and skill set needs to be evaluated before going hunting ?

And FYI I’m quite capable of hitTing an oven door at 100 yards with a bipod , so you can quit the #### measuring.

Some of us are poor , we don’t need reminders.
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It's not intended as insult ,to being poor.
I grew up eating sugar and canned milk sandwiches.
It was more of an capability statement.

I dont care what you or a anybody else can or can't hit.
I just said I was gonna shoot a moose at 500 yards with my much much much, more capable 7 REM.
And everybody got their panties in a bunch. Ha ha ha
 
tokguy said:
I just shoot offhand at track plate at 100 yds.
But it's the internet, I can claim anything that I want...like you just did. No-one cares when you burn 100's rds a month ( if you ain't shooting a milsurp caliber...it's not very believe-able, reloading components in anything other than milsurp sizes would be cost prohibitive)...but they sure sit up when you make outlandish claims.
You might not conside your claim outlandish 45C...most folks do though. Wanna do that 'Big Dyck' claim...got to expect backlash.
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Your reading me wrong.
I'm not a Bull sh!utter.
I just made a statement about shooting a moose and everyone goes all ballistic.
I shoot lots, I enjoy it more than hunting,its my only vice.
Here's a pic of a bunch of Hornady I have for this weekend, plus a few Nosler that I'm going to test.

Next weekend I'll do it all again. Boring right, but what else is there to do?
I also have a bunch of 6.5 CM to try and get ready. Its gonna be a busy couple of nights.lolView attachment 422663View attachment 422666
 
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Either way , 308 , 7/08 or 7 RM nothing is magic , you gotta hit the vitals no matter how far you shoot from, and to be honest, even out to 500 yards , all three with the proper projectile is capable of dispatching game, if you don't miss!
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Either way , 308 , 7/08 or 7 RM nothing is magic , you gotta hit the vitals no matter how far you shoot from, and to be honest, even out to 500 yards , all three with the proper projectile is capable of dispatching game, if you don't miss!
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Sure
But the 7mm ,using same weight bullet will have 500+ more FPS and 600+ ft lbs of energy at 500 yards.

Do it really matter? I can't answer that.
 
45C said:
Sure
But the 7mm ,using same weight bullet will have 500+ more FPS and 600+ ft lbs of energy at 500 yards.

Do it really matter? I can't answer that.
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Sure the 7RM is faster and has more powder but doesn't push those differences safely all else being equal.

And a super-bee can haul 20lbs of potatoes the same as your Chevette.

In this case it doesn't really matter because if you want to choose this distance(500 yards), unless you are using a 30/30 it ain't gonna make a lick of difference to the game, unless you miss.

If you have 1000+lbs of energy moving around 2000 ft/sec guess what, you have a dead critter, if, you don't miss.

You are talking negligible difference of ballistics when it come to game hitting.

A 7RM MAY get your effective range extended by 50-100 yards , if , you can hit your target.

You may want to look at an STW if you want more 7mm performance.

May I ask the last time you harvested an animal at the 5-600 yards you are planning on?

The M stands for magnum, not magic. ;)
 
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Kelly Timoffee said:
Sure the 7RM is faster and has more powder but doesn't push those differences safely all else being equal.

And a super-bee can haul 20lbs of potatoes the same as your Chevette.

In this case it doesn't really matter because if you want to choose this distance(500 yards), unless you are using a 30/30 it ain't gonna make a lick of difference to the game, unless you miss.

If you have 1000+lbs of energy moving around 2000 ft/sec guess what, you have a dead critter, if, you don't miss.

You are talking negligible difference of ballistics when it come to game hitting.

A 7RM MAY get your effective range extended by 50-100 yards , if , you can hit your target.

You may want to look at an STW if you want more 7mm performance.

May I ask the last time you harvested an animal at the 5-600 yards you are planning on?

The M stands for magnum, not magic. ;)
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So what's the point of 7s ,or 300 for that matter?

And no I haven't taken a moose at 500.
One at 250 , I dont think 500 is out of reach,on a clear day,rested.

What are you saying is the cut off distance ? 300 yards? 400 yards?
I would think there are lots of hunters shooting game at 500 yards and further.
I'm sure they had to have started somewhere.
 
45C said:
So what's the point of 7s ,or 300 for that matter?

And no I haven't taken a moose at 500.
One at 250 , I dont think 500 is out of reach,on a clear day,rested.

What are you saying is the cut off distance ? 300 yards? 400 yards?
I would think there are lots of hunters shooting game at 500 yards and further.
I'm sure they had to have started somewhere.
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A cut off distance ? I cannot say what yours is.A shooters limits must be realized by humbleness and not ego.

Here is the cut off distance...

Under the exact same conditions as you would be hunting in - walking, heavy breathing , heavily dressed, clumsy boots , wind, marsh, trees, willows , sun in your eyes.Replicate those and varying conditions , shoot a paper plate, if you can do it 10/10 times, then that is your distance.Miss once , that's a gut shot or a miss, that is not your distance.

NOT

Off the bench/rest under exacting conditions.

How often can you hit that same target off hand, crouching, leaning on a tree , panting , uncomfortable, wet, raining, excitement , the list goes on.Again, it has to be 10 out of 10.

Be honest with yourself and you'll know your true limitations.

DO you want to know my limitations?They are quite modest.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
A cut off distance ? I cannot say what yours is.A shooters limits must be realized by humbleness and not ego.

Here is the cut off distance...

Under the exact same conditions as you would be hunting in - walking, heavy breathing , heavily dressed, clumsy boots , wind, marsh, trees, willows , sun in your eyes.Replicate those and varying conditions , shoot a paper plate, if you can do it 10/10 times, then that is your distance.Miss once , that's a gut shot or a miss, that is not your distance.

NOT

Off the bench/rest under exacting conditions.

How often can you hit that same target off hand, crouching, leaning on a tree , panting , uncomfortable, wet, raining, excitement , the list goes on.Again, it has to be 10 out of 10.

Be honest with yourself and you'll know your true limitations.

DO you want to know my limitations?They are quite modest.
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I wouldn't shoot at any animal ,in those conditions.
Not even at 100 yards.
If I'm not steady, I dont shoot.
When I say 500 yards , I'm not breathing heavy, shaking ,etc.
I'm laying down with the gun rested.
And yes, I can put 10 shots in an 8 inch circle at 500 yards.
Rested of course, which would be the same I intend to hunt.
I'm not saying I'm only looking for the long shot,but sometimes they do pop up.

I'm also comfortable shooting 200 + a bit ,off hand.

I know everyone has their own limitations, that's fine,each their own.

And sure,I'd like to hear yours.
 
I'd have to venture a guess no one would be taking 500 or 600 yard shots off hand.

Chances are a person would have ample time to set up with a proper rest or bipod.

With the right equipment under the right conditions 600 yards is very doable but you have to know what your gun is going to do....:)
 
Limitations of distance should be dictated by ballistics as well as marksmanship abilities.

I typically pick 1800 fps and 1500 ft/lbs of energy as the cutoff for moose sized game. Whenever one dives off below these limits, that is the my maximum effective range of that cartridge.

I pick 1800 fps because the accubonds I normally load state that as the minimum requirement for expansion. 1500 ft/lbs of downrange energy is regarded as a general rule of thumb amongst hunters but is up for debate. I like having more than I need to ensure quick clean kills.
 
45C said:
I wouldn't shoot at any animal ,in those conditions.
Not even at 100 yards.
If I'm not steady, I dont shoot.
When I say 500 yards , I'm not breathing heavy, shaking ,etc.
I'm laying down with the gun rested.
And yes, I can put 10 shots in an 8 inch circle at 500 yards.
Rested of course, which would be the same I intend to hunt.
I'm not saying I'm only looking for the long shot,but sometimes they do pop up.

I'm also comfortable shooting 200 + a bit ,off hand.

I know everyone has their own limitations, that's fine,each their own.

And sure,I'd like to hear yours.
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I don't know, I've only shot targets at 100 yards.
 
Ever think the guys who claim 500+ yds hunting shots are like a guy who's in his 40's dating a 20 year old.
"Yeah, but it's legal!"
While most folks are giving them the side eye?
But why?
If you have to explain it...they ain't gonna get it anyway.
 
A competent reloader and regular shooter with either a 308 7/08 or 7mm rem mag should have no problem taking an animal inside of 500 yards. Know your bullet drops, range your target and pull the trigger.
Obviously environmental factors come into play but if you struggle to hit a paper plate at 100 yards off hand, maybe rethink hunting.
 
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A competent reloader and regular shooter with either a 308 7/08 or 7mm rem mag should have no problem taking an animal inside of 500 yards. Know your bullet drops, range your target and pull the trigger.
Obviously environmental factors come into play but if you struggle to hit a paper plate at 100 yards off hand, maybe rethink hunting.
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Curious as to what your 500 yard kill count is.
Or anyone else reading this thread
 
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