Could just be differences in guns too. Some are slower, some are faster. If Hornady is using a fast gun for their numbers and your gun is on the slow side then 200fps difference is not out of the question.
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Could just be differences in guns too. Some are slower, some are faster. If Hornady is using a fast gun for their numbers and your gun is on the slow side then 200fps difference is not out of the question.
I may be wrong but both the 6.5/7PRCW and the 7 PRC were both designed around the Fclass crowd for that purpose.
I know of no competitive fclass shooters that shoot factory ammo , so there is that.
As a hunting round both will be good , but heaven only knows how they will do . Hunters are fickle .
Cat
I know of no competitive fclass shooters that shoot factory ammo , so there is that.
As a hunting round both will be good , but heaven only knows how they will do . Hunters are fickle .
Cat
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You forgot the 223 PRC
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Good point.
If you don’t already have a comparable cartridge, why would you not buy the PRC? Similar to the 6.5CM vs others debate. If you already have a 6.5x55 or .260 then 6.5CM is redundant. But if you’re starting from scratch the most logical option is the 6.5CM. Better availability and the more modern specs generally equate to more uniform tolerances in mass production.
If you don’t already have a 7RM equivalent and want one the 7PRC seems like a logical place to start.
I was getting 2970 fps with factory 175 ELDX with a 22" barrel when it was new. It has since sped up to over 3000fps for what it's worth. Mine won't be for sale any time soon. I get what people are saying about it not being a huge improvement over a 7 rem mag and everything, but I didn't have a 7 rem mag before so 7prc made sense to me.
All depends on the goal IMO. Those older cartridges (especially short action stuff like 260, 7mm08) aren't well suited for long heavy bullets. My 7mm08 is awesome with 140gr pills, but even a 160gr is getting pretty long, I'd lose case capacity to fit them in the magazine. Meanwhile these new cartridges are designed specifically around long heavy bullets so they don't have that same issue, and they have appropriate twists for the newer crazy BC bullets that might not stabilize in older stuff. My 7mm08 is a 1:9.25 iirc, great for what I use it for but it's unlikely to play well with a 180eld or the heavier berger bullets.
If you are just hunting or recreational shooting it doesn't really matter, but if you're going to shoot competitions little details like that start to mean something.
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6.5's all had a fast enough twist to handle VLD 140's, not a huge jump in BC going to 147's or 155's there.
The 7mm's there is a significant jump in BC going from 162/168 to the 180/185's which at least makes them interesting.
The 7mm's there is a significant jump in BC going from 162/168 to the 180/185's which at least makes them interesting.
Its just setup from factory better for long range work. I just built a nice custom 7mag which comes pretty close so its not worth the cash to “upgrade”. However if i was to start that build today it would be no question 7prc. The case, barrel twist and throat designs are turn key setup to run 175/180 grain pills. A 7mag can do that. but you need 1:8 twist, and seat the bullets longer. Thats all if your existing chamber and magazine allows.
Exact same scenario with 300wm vs 300prc. Your just buying into a calibre thats setup to run those heavy bullets and likely to be more easily to load for. And if your going with factory ammo and long range is your game then that even makes more sense to run with either of the PRC cartridges. A guy can seriously spend hours upon hours tuning a load to get the most out of your 300/7mags when in all honesty someone else could go out grab a box of hornady match or precision hunter for their PRC and get similar or in some cases better results.
Exact same scenario with 300wm vs 300prc. Your just buying into a calibre thats setup to run those heavy bullets and likely to be more easily to load for. And if your going with factory ammo and long range is your game then that even makes more sense to run with either of the PRC cartridges. A guy can seriously spend hours upon hours tuning a load to get the most out of your 300/7mags when in all honesty someone else could go out grab a box of hornady match or precision hunter for their PRC and get similar or in some cases better results.
My cousin is a long range plinker and settled on the 300 Win a long time ago. He's played around with 338Lap, some Cheytec's, they are a league above however.
He gave the 300PRC a go, but it didn't give him anything over the 300Win, only difference he found was the 300 PRC had sharper recoil. For him anyway, and that guy shoots alot, only guy I know that loads his ammo wearing surgical gloves lol, the 300 Win is as good as it gets balance wise with recoil/velocity/energy/accuracy in the 30 Cal's.
With the shortage of large mag primers he went ahead and built a 6.5x47, it's a pussy cat in comparison, but that thing shoots, he likes the 130's in it, and has printed many cloverleafs at 600m with that build.
If I purchase another PRC cartridge I'll buy an Alex Wheeler designed reamer first and have the chamber cut with that reamer to stay away from the "clickers'. We don't hear about the "clickers" on this forum but it's well documented on lots of forums. It was the extraction issues that followed the clicking on the 4th reload that bothered me most. My hopes are for the JGS 300PRC AW reamer to cure the problem.
Never heard of "clickers", care to give a brief description of what that means?
I think Manson included that in their 7 PRC reamer roll out.
Based on what Alex Wheeler posted a couple years ago there's only ~0.003" difference between the basal 1/3 of the chamber and the brass. The case head of good brass is hard but still expands, and people tend to see bolt click on regular loads after 4-5 firings (faster if you're loading hot). The sizing dies don't size all the way to the web so you start getting sticky extraction/bolt click. The fix is to run the JGS reamer that Alex designed that opens the base of the chamber up 1.5 - 2 thou.
Has anyone here bought the JGS reamer for a 300 PRC to fix theirs?
Has anyone here bought the JGS reamer for a 300 PRC to fix theirs?
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I’ve probably had 30 or so PRC chambered rifles and never had clickers yet, I had 6 reloads on Hornady 300 PRC brass and never an issue, alls I ver did was full length size and trim to length if needed, I have over 400 rounds on one of my 7 PRC rifles and no issues,
I think at times it’s a combination of things, hot loads and or worn reamer carriers when chambering, apparently all of the new Manson reamers are to Wheeler specs.
