7x57 vs 30-06

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Just got back from the range with some interesting results. First off I shot a piece of 1/2 inch steel with the 06 using factory Winchester 165 grain PP. The shot was taken at 75 yards and the bullet did not pass through the steel but left a bulge on the back side only.
Then shooting my Brno ZKK-600 7x57 Mauser with handloaded 139 grain Hornady Interlock it passed clean through shocking the hell out of me.:eek:
The shot with the 06 was marked with a black marker so as to not confuse the two shots. Has anyone got the answer...:confused: because I thought the 06 would have made a bigger hole but not passing through really surprised me.....:eek: perhaps maybe next time I will try handloads in the 06:) The barrel on the 06 is 22 inches and the 7x57 is just a little over 23 inches so there is not a lot of difference in barrel length. Any theories would be welcome.....thanks
 
Death-junky is partially right...the Power-point is Winchester's "soft" bullet, designed for better expansion. It's an apples and oranges comparison. On top of which, it looks like you took one shot with each load. Examples of one are a waste of time; they prove nothing.
 
I have done the same at different ranges..A 180 gr nosler partition would not go through,220 gr silvertip wouldnt,power point wouldnt but the 165 gr interlock had no trouble at all.My 375 would with the accubond and interlock,and put a hell of a hole in it as well!!!!
 
The higher velocity helps punch the hole.

I would like to add, be very careful shooting at steel plates. Sometimes they squirt the core of the bullet straight back. A friend of mine was shooting a steel plate from inside his car, out the drivers window. (It was in the middle of winter and cold in Alberta). It was about 40 yards away. A huge piece of melted/distorted lead came right back through the open drivers window and broke the passenger door window. It happened in a split second - just bang - smack! He could have lost an eye very easily.
 
Many years ago, the American Rifleman had an article about a "rail gun" that used electric impulses to propel a plastic bullet to 16000 fps, and this plastic bullet would go trough a steel plate. I guess it has something to do with the combination of energy and velocity.

The now banned "cop killer" bullets, covered in Teflon would also go through steel like butter. Teflon covered .32 ACP bullets had no trouble going through a steel plate as well as most body armour known to man.
 
Guntech has apoint. My dad at the farm has a steel plate that he had guys shoot at over the years with there big guns. Dad is a '06 man. He stands by it 100%. An aquaintance came buy one day to shoot his 7mm at the plates because he said the 7mm is the end all and be all of cartridges. The 7mm went first, did not go thru. The aquaintance moved off to the side slightly behind dad. Dad fired, went through. The aquaintance went to the hospital to have the shrapnel removed from his torso. He was no more than about 6 feet to the side. They were shooting at the plate from about 25 yards. It had been done numerous times but this time someone got stung.

By the way the '06 went thru because dad shot a full metal jacket without telling anyone. He pissed many a shooter off with this combination. A 300 Win Mag is the Min that will go thru the plate cleanly. The 22-250 burns a deeper hole than the 7 mm.
 
Ive had 175 gr, Barnes X (high sectional density & TOUGH bullet) fail to penetrate steel at 150 yards

same steel shot with 120 gr. Vmax (low SD & soft varmint bullet) smashed right on through.
 
With all due respect, I don't believe any normal bullet "burns" it's way through steel. I have shot a lot of bullets at steel [from a safe distance] and note that some bullets simply penetrate this medium better than others. I had some AP bullets for the '06 that I loaded up, and they would zip through 1" of Mild steel, no problem. Here's an interesting one, though. On that same piece of 1" plate, a 30-30, 170 grain CIL SPRN @ 2100 fps made a very shallow crater, but a 6.5x54, 160 grain CIL SPRN @ 2100 made a crater about 1/3 of the way into the plate. I repeated this test several times, same result every time.... go figure?? I also learned that a 55 grain bullet from the 220 Swift at 3900 fps will penetrate more mild steel than a 300 Win Mag with a 180 @ 3100. Regards, Eagleye.
 
7mm vs 06

Hi Eagleye, interesting and I would guess it all depends on bullet design, suppose you were shooting the non expanding military type ammo, the 06 would have done it's job. However you and I know the mystic of the magnificent 7s This last fall I started using it again, classic 7X57. Take care Bill.
 
catnthehatt said:
Put a 55 grain out of a 220 Swift into the side of a moose and tell me it penetrates better than a 180 30 cal. ANYTHING!!:D
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Exactly

The only thing shooting steel plates will tell you is how well a bullet penetrates steel plates.

The same thing holds true for wet newsprint, water jugs and clay. Almost none of the media we usually test bullets performance with tells us honestly how well they will perform on game animals.
 
hey guys...im new to the site....splatter got me on here...i love hunting and guns....im going to buy a 30-06 when i get out of camp....who makes a great 30-06..... and is there such thing as a 30-06 magnum.....oh ya and one other thing...what grain works best for the 30-06 and what type...thanxx guys...
 
catnthehatt said:
Put a 55 grain out of a 220 Swift into the side of a moose and tell me it penetrates better than a 180 30 cal. ANYTHING!!:D
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Cat, I agree wholeheartedly that there is a big difference when shooting animals! Shooting steel plates only shows the effect of the bullet on steel plates, not it's game-taking abilities. I only mentioned that to illustrate that sometimes velocity will do things that surprise us. I do not condone shooting big game with 22 centerfire rifles, unless it is a dire emergency, and then bullet selection and placement are paramount. Regards, Eagleye.
 
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