8.5" grizzly

Outcast said:
Overall length has to be 26" or greater...so a 8.5" barrel with a pistol grip will be restricted,
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Seems that the 26" OAL reg is not set in stone.

I know that the Rossi and Chiappa Mare's Leg lever rifles are 24" and 23" OAL respectively and are NON-RESTRICTED.

If you don't believe me check them out on the Wanstalls website.
 
torontogungal said:
Seems that the 26" OAL reg is not set in stone.

I know that the Rossi and Chiappa Mare's Leg lever rifles are 24" and 23" OAL respectively and are NON-RESTRICTED.

If you don't believe me check them out on the Wanstalls website.
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I think the reason for that was some pre-existing non-restricted classification for the mares leg (I have the Rossi). Something like these 870 clones don't have that luxury. Otherwise that shortie from blue line, or the Serbu super shortie-style shotguns would qualify and I'd own 6 of each. Lol
 
CanAm said:
Very few people actually read the law. The details are right there.
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I go by the RCMP/CFC classification sheet which gives the legal classification of the particular firearm (non-restricted, restricted, prohibited).

The 26" OAL rule doesn't apply to some guns like the Rossi Mare's Leg lever actions which are manufactured having an OAL less than 26".
 
torontogungal said:
I go by the RCMP/CFC classification sheet which gives the legal classification of the particular firearm (non-restricted, restricted, prohibited).

The 26" OAL rule doesn't apply to some guns like the Rossi Mare's Leg lever actions which are manufactured having an OAL less than 26".
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there is no 26" rule for any factory made "long gun".
 
Mine is order with a pistol grip extra, hope i dont snap my wrist with full throttle 3 inch slugs... Cheers. JP.
 
A little confused, do you need to specify when you order to have a pistol grip for it to still be non-restricted, or can you put your own on after you've received it? Seems to be a lot of speculation among the forums on the classification of these if you're wanting to put a pistol grip on them. I have two on order and would like the option, so it'd be really appreciated if either canadaammo could send a link to some regs regarding it, or clear it up themselves.
 
I have a Rossi Ranch Hand that is only 24" overall AND is non restricted....

I think that a factory made gun can be less than 26" if it is manufactured that way... I think...

I really hope someone can give a clear ruling on it since I am interested in a mag fed 8.5" with pistol grip ONLY if they are non-restricted... If they are restricted I will keep carrying my .44MAG Ranch Hand...
 
G.Mitchell said:
I have a Rossi Ranch Hand that is only 24" overall AND is non restricted....

I think that a factory made gun can be less than 26" if it is manufactured that way... I think...

I really hope someone can give a clear ruling on it since I am interested in a mag fed 8.5" with pistol grip ONLY if they are non-restricted... If they are restricted I will keep carrying my .44MAG Ranch Hand...
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If its a mares leg then that could be why its non restricted. I think they are okay but someone else will know for sure. I read a post a while back that said if you put the pistol grip on your shotgun it becomes restricted and you have to eventually report it that way.
Like I said, somebody can clarify it I am sure.
 
I have posted my opinion on this subject many times. I am sure it can be retrieved in a search.

Doing so again would not help anyone.

One needs to read the act and regulations, understand them, and be able to defend ones position if asked. Simply repeating that, "CanAm on CGN said-so", serves no one.
 
A restricted rifle is a restricted RIFLE. A couple of years ago the RCMP decided that a Shotgun with a barrel less than 16 inches WITH an overall length less than 26 inches is in the same catagory as a PISTOL and is restricted as a PISTOL. They are apples and oranges. Not only that, when i talked to them about this they also said that once you register your shotgun as a PISTOL it will be forever a PISTOL even if you put a 30 inch barrel back on it because a pistol cannot be de restricted (yes I know about antiques). Some rifles that are restricted can be de restricted by putting on a longer barrel. Pistol vs rifle, that is how the RCMP explained it to me. There was always some disagreement the way the regs were worded, but they have since made a ruling on it and were quite clear. At on time the ruling was available in on of these forums but it addressed 870 (type) shotguns, and factory or not if it was under 26 inches it was restricted, you chop your own barrel under 18 and it's prohib, no we don't like it and don't agreee with it, but that was what they decided and unfortunately they make the rules
 
Read this carefully, and you will understand CanAm's comments:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm#a3

Q3. What are the different classes of firearms?

A3. There are three classes of firearms: non-restricted, restricted and prohibited.

Non-restricted firearms are ordinary rifles and shotguns, other than those referred to below.

Restricted firearms include:

handguns that are not prohibited;

semi-automatic, centre-fire rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm;
rifles and shotguns that can be fired when their overall length has been reduced by folding, telescoping or other means to less than 660 mm; and
firearms restricted by Criminal Code Regulations.

Prohibited firearms include:

handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less and handguns that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, except for a few specific ones used in International Shooting Union competitions;
rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing or other means so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm or their overall length is less than 660 mm;
full automatics;
converted automatics, namely full automatics that have been altered so that they fire only one projectile when the trigger is squeezed; and
firearms prohibited by Criminal Code Regulations.
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Oh mighty Zardoz. (AKA CanAm) I too anxiously await the arrival of the 8.5" grizzly mags. I don't need no stink'n pistol grip. Just a fine shotgun.
Not that I'm going to ease up on checking the website daily so that I can pounce on one when they show up. But is there an approximate ETA at all?

EDIT: Another thought. There was some talk a few pages back about the mag interfering with the fore grip. Now obviously that's not going to be an issue with the stock grip. But do you suppose aftermarket grips might not fit it properly?
 
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Glockenshpiel said:
If they will have no slide sticking issues, then +2

But now after watching people shooting brand spanking new Rem 870 shotguns at the range, I am convinced that all of them have the same problem - slide prongs too soft and developing burrs from racking. Quality control going South worldwide.
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What does Made in the USA Remington's QC have anything to do with Made in China's? Never had a problem with my grizzly, although, I'll admit the 870 needed some break in time, especially with the cheapies.
 
http://www.firearmstraining.ca/classes.htm
Non-restricted firearms are ordinary hunting and sporting rifles, shotguns and airguns with an overall length of 660mm or greater. Many airguns fall into this class because they are capable of achieving a muzzle velocity of 500 feet per second. If it is a centrefire semi-automatic firearm, the barrel length must be at least 470mm to be non-restricted. These firearms must be stored, transported and displayed according to Federal regulations and you need a firearms licence to possess them. Provincial and municipal rules may further regulate these firearms (e.g., Ontario hunting regulations require that firearms being transported be encased at night). Certain firearms, although they meet the above criteria, have been classified as "restricted" or "prohibited" by order-in-council.
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660 millimeters / 25.4 = 25.984251968503937007874015748031 inches.
470 millimeters = 18.503937 inches

urban250prepper said:
oh? explain the rossi ranch hand mares leg then, ol wise one... It has an OAL of 24" and is non-restricted.
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I believe you are also right. Causes too much confusion, these contradictions.
 
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