80% AR Lowers (yea...another thread)

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Flat out....I don't want to know where, or how much. What I do want to know is if anyone has ever ordered one out of the US. It's not a gun, so their feds shouldn't have a problem with it. It's not a gun here either, so our feds shouldn't have a problem with it. Has anyone ever actually ordered and received one ?
 
Ok. Before anyone else replies with another way around it, or why they think you can't. Has anyone ever done it or tried to do it ?

Edit...I should explain a little more. I'll be in Texas shortly, and I'm thinking of buying a few to mail back to myself. I know all about ITAR's firearm issues. At 80% they don't consider it a firearm.
 
Itar yet there by definition a nothing ? Weird
What about those 80% 1911's that seems like a cool thing too
 
Ok. Before anyone else replies with another way around it, or why they think you can't. Has anyone ever done it or tried to do it ?

Edit...I should explain a little more. I'll be in Texas shortly, and I'm thinking of buying a few to mail back to myself. I know all about ITAR's firearm issues. At 80% they don't consider it a firearm.

ITAR covers a lot more than just firearms.
 
I would guess that even though it's not a firearm ITAR likely considers it as a firearm part and it is probably controlled. No, I don't know for sure but exporting it to yourself may not be a good idea.
 
Ok. Before anyone else replies with another way around it, or why they think you can't. Has anyone ever done it or tried to do it ?

Edit...I should explain a little more. I'll be in Texas shortly, and I'm thinking of buying a few to mail back to myself. I know all about ITAR's firearm issues. At 80% they don't consider it a firearm.

I tried to order one online from Ares Armour about a year ago and they called later the same day...cancelled the order and refunded the credit card. Sited ITAR.
 
Here's a quote from Dlask in an archived thread as my previous comment didn't spur enough confidence.

These are an ITAR controlled product and require paperwork from BOTH countries to export.

If the Americans authorities catch you exporting these without the proper State Department export permits and an IIC from the Canadian government YOU will be exported to the US to face ITAR charges and will most likely become a temporary resident of the US while serving your sentence.
 
I couldn't find any company willing to sell me one and ship it to Canada, I'd just get one from Dlask, they are great quality. On a side note there are no restrictions on buying the jigs from the US.
 
What about those Polymer 80's? They came with the jigs. The Canadian {ar lower .ca} website shows almost everything is out of stock. Wondering if they are having problems getting more stock in the Country? Anyone know about them?
 
No. The reason the ATRS lower is NR is it has no mag well and requires permanent modification to the upper so it will not ever work on a normal AR lower again.

And please don't ever consider a polymer lower a good idea for anything larger than .223, neverming .50bmg!
 
Where can you get a Polymer 80% these days in Canada? & what happens when you complete one? You are in possession of a completed lower, so it's OK for 'X' amount of days until you call to register it? What is the process to complete/register one of these 80% lowers? Always wondered this. Thnx.
 
Where can you get a Polymer 80% these days in Canada? & what happens when you complete one? You are in possession of a completed lower, so it's OK for 'X' amount of days until you call to register it? What is the process to complete/register one of these 80% lowers? Always wondered this. Thnx.

I did one back in the fall of '12.... Ordered straight from the US. ITAR changed after Sandyhook..... 80% lowers are no longer exportable....

It took 4hrs to complete the lower. I used a drill press with a milling base @ work. Fairly easy process, if you are mechanically inclined (and you took Industrial Arts in High School).

According to the firearms tech I talked to, you have 30 days to register your lower after completion. I also learned that "all rules pertaining to storage and transport of a restricted firearm apply".... This means you will not be able to get authorization to take it to the range (ATT) until you have a copy of the cert, or a transfer document.... Which you cant get because you didn't transfer it....

It took 9 months to get my Cert.... I had to register it as a complete rifle, they would not let me register it as a "lower" only. They required pictures of the lower. Later on (read 8 weeks) they asked for pictures of the complete rifle. Later still (4weeks) they asked me to have a verifier fill out some paperwork on it.... Then later still they asked if I had "drawings", and could they get a copy....

Other than the "satisfaction" of building one, it is a MUCH more expensive option over buying a $200 completed mil-spec lower (ie: Aero Precision), let alone a $100 lower form one of our fine site sponsors....

I'm not saying it isn't worth doing..... It's just not cheaper, nor is it less hassle and it is a F*k Ton more work....

My $.02
 
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