80% AR Lowers (yea...another thread)
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blacksmithden
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Did you speak to Sandy Moranville?So I guess I was misinformed by Brownells today. They told me that there were no shipping restrictions to Canada on their 80% lower receiver. Talk about confusion...was just about to order when I read this thread
She is their resident export expert.
My guess is that we will be seeing a lot more interest in 80% lowers in Canada due to our newly elected government.
My thought is that some people will want to have one at home just in case.
I spoke with Dave G on their live Q&A. Someone had asked the question earlier this year under the Q&A section for the 80% lower. The answer that was provided didn't actually answer the question so I asked again. Dave said there were no restrictions...however, I think he looked at the product item and gave me the answer based on the fact it did not indicate a restriction. interestingly enough, one of the jigs on the Brownell site is listed as not for export but the other two jigs are silent on that as well.
I do not dispute what I am hearing here, just wish I would have received the correct answer from Brownells.
I understand there is time and effort to bring these into the country. however, when a partially completed lower is much more expensive that a fully completed lower it smells like people are taking advantage of the situation. I am not looking for a $45 but would have thought I would pay a little less than my last fully completed one.
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- East ontario
They are controlled under itar, the reason DLASK can import them is they fill out all the paperwork and the yare also a Manufacter, the other guys are not.
same issue with LIV USA made body armour, you cant EXPORT it or even own it in the US if you are not a US person with no record.
To exportus made LIV hard armour out of the US requires approval from US DOJ, which then requires a signed end uerd cert for each item on that export permit.
If that's the case with US DOJ then Canada requires an ICC and most of the time a controlled goods Lic, to follow US DOJ ITAR protocol.
This is why police dept, don't order body armor direct, the use a Lic controlled goods biz in Canada. or buy from non ITAR countries, or buy Canadian made.
Things like 80% lowers, NV scopes, body armor are the not something you want to F*** with under ITAR.
so buyer beware, trust us we have looked at it and, its just to dangerous to mess with ITAR
S&J
same issue with LIV USA made body armour, you cant EXPORT it or even own it in the US if you are not a US person with no record.
To exportus made LIV hard armour out of the US requires approval from US DOJ, which then requires a signed end uerd cert for each item on that export permit.
If that's the case with US DOJ then Canada requires an ICC and most of the time a controlled goods Lic, to follow US DOJ ITAR protocol.
This is why police dept, don't order body armor direct, the use a Lic controlled goods biz in Canada. or buy from non ITAR countries, or buy Canadian made.
Things like 80% lowers, NV scopes, body armor are the not something you want to F*** with under ITAR.
so buyer beware, trust us we have looked at it and, its just to dangerous to mess with ITAR
S&J
- Location
- East ontario
if you break ITAR law, be it import or export you can be charged in Canada.
or taken back to the USA and charged there.
just wanted to close the loop. I send an email from Brownells and received the correct response this time. They said they certainly can ship an 80% lower to Canada and attached the paperwork citing ITAR. They do required an IIC and an end user declaration.
We all need to thank and support our Canadian dealers for the services they provide. Thank you!
We all need to thank and support our Canadian dealers for the services they provide. Thank you!
burnt_servo
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so instead of the states , why not set something up with a Chinese company and buy them from asia ?
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while most people seem to think people in china will do whatever you ask them, there are very tight laws in China when it comes to firearms.
an 80% lower made in china will require the exporter and importer the same amount of work as importing a fully working gun.
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I am not sure I can answer that. I guess for me it is a matter of effort. If I can get the parts I need in Canada, I will buy from a Canadian dealer. I recall a time when many items were scarce in this country. Our dealers and manufacturers deserve credit for the inroads they have made. I try to support them whenever possible. Brownell's have a great price hence my inquiry. Now that I understand these are not given paperweight status and the time and effort required for them to bring them in, I feel the need to support a Canadian vendor (still would like more Canadian completion though
)I kind of agree with that, but if there is a significant price difference then I kind of have no choice. If i won the lotto I wouldn't care but sadly that's not the case.
Also, I have an "80%" lower from Dlask that is no where near 80% done. Needs the buffer retainer drilled, the hole for the bolt catch pin, rear take down detent hole, and the safety detent hole drilled in addition to the normal 80% stuff done. Right now they're the only game in town unless Lockhart Tactical sorts out their ITAR issues with Modulus Arms, and they made a post basically saying if they had to register for export and get all the proper permits it wasn't really going to be worthwhile. Since you need all that stuff to legally get it done I doubt they're going to get it done.
I'd like to see some billet lowers in Canada but as we don't even have proper 80% lowers I'd say that's probably not going to happen either.
I guess I'll order the Brownells one and see what forms they send.
Also, I have an "80%" lower from Dlask that is no where near 80% done. Needs the buffer retainer drilled, the hole for the bolt catch pin, rear take down detent hole, and the safety detent hole drilled in addition to the normal 80% stuff done. Right now they're the only game in town unless Lockhart Tactical sorts out their ITAR issues with Modulus Arms, and they made a post basically saying if they had to register for export and get all the proper permits it wasn't really going to be worthwhile. Since you need all that stuff to legally get it done I doubt they're going to get it done.
I'd like to see some billet lowers in Canada but as we don't even have proper 80% lowers I'd say that's probably not going to happen either.
I guess I'll order the Brownells one and see what forms they send.
yes, but probably well over 10 years to 15 years ago now I'd say. KT Ordnance used to send 80% 1911, sig 229 and AR frames north, they will not ship to Canada any longer.
have no idea about other shops down south or what the legalities are these days. we used to be able to order all kinds of cool stuff out of the states but that has all kinda ended about a decade ago now.
it's Canada Border Services little nosey busy body do gooders that will stop it and will raise a big stink and force you to jump thru a bunch of hoops and take your name 20 times all over a 80% receiver?
yer far better served getting one in Canada, they are easy to come by and made of quality materials.
