80% AR Recievers, Has anyone here Built one?

Slap him once for me too if this is true.

What a load of crap. If it wasn't enough that the antis are trying to make enjoying our hobby impossible, we now have people in our own community helping them. For shame. As long as there is no legal reason to restrict sales why the hell would Mr. Dlask do something like this? Have some new regulations been passed that I am unaware of? If not, and he has just dreamed up this restriction himself......Well, I'll just say I couldn't write in a public forum how I feel about him.

If this is untrue, I apologize for assuming the worst but I think NaOH and Randall_Flagg have made it pretty clear. I guess Dlask no longer exists as far as me and my money are concerned. His loss for sure.
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Except for the fact the RCMP/CFC definition of a "firearm" is based upon "intent". The second you "intend" to build a firearm our of a material it's a firearm.

If this is indeed true he's probably covering himself. The BATFE ruling VS. ours are two very different things. I disagree with it but fill his shoes and ask yourself "Should I risk having my business shutdown?"

The "superiors" are never clear enough about the regulations. They could one day decide what he's doing is illegal and intervene with heavy consequences.
 
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Armament said:
Except for the fact the RCMP/CFC definition of a "firearm" is based upon "intent". The second you "intend" to build a firearm our of a material it's a firearm.

If this is indeed true he's probably covering himself. The BATFE ruling VS. ours are two very different things. I disagree with it but fill his shoes and ask yourself "Should I risk having my business shutdown?"

The "superiors" are never clear enough about the regulations. They could one day decide what he's doing is illegal and intervene with heavy consequences.
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Fair enough. He would be locking the barn door after the horses are gone though. He has sold enough his ass is already in a sling. If he did not get some sort of RCMP/CFC clarification and documentation before selling them in the first place.... Well, stupid does not even begin to describe it. My point is, if it was OK before why the change now? If your theory is correct he has already risked shuting his business down with the first one he sold, so why stop now? Not like there is a statute of limitations in Canada to protect acts in the past from prosecution. Stopping sales now makes zero difference to him legally.

I see what you are trying to say but it still doesn't make much sense to me what he is doing. However, I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to rationalize his actions. Like I said, Dlask doesn't exist for me anymore, so why bother?
 
ShooterMcGavin said:
http://www.tanneryshop.com/80-ar15.htm

but no one here has done it??
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I've done it. In fact, it was over two years ago that I tried to register the pair of them. They were tannery receivers too. Local firearms officer had no problem, and the CFC techs seemed sorta OK with it too. But once it got to the RCMP lab, they are enforcing the "must have a manufacturers liscence" rule. So here they sit in my gunroom, after a half dozen phone calls and emails on the subject.

Others have had more luck on it, but usually they have had their ARs verified under one of the many FRT listed numbers, instead of making waves and trying to list themselves as the maker.
 
If any of you guys are intent on building up an 80% chunk of aluminum into a lamp stand I suggest the following. There are 2 really good types of jigs. The Baxter that comes with a buffer plate and offers set angles for the different hole placements (pistol grip light switch and buffer tube wiring harness retaining pin). And the CNC jig. The CNC is absolutely milnano spec, I know, I've used mine. From my research and practical experience (in the states) both jigs are excellent.

KT billet lampstands are supposedly the best on the market according to knowledgeable people. I was going to try the Frankenstein but went with a forged lamp stand from someone else. I will be doing a KT 15-5 in the new year (in the states of course because of the paperwork involved).

I will of course have to register my lamps. One is 4Q363 and the other is 4QU2-92-0001.:dancingbanana:

A word to the wise, hand tools won't do the job. A table top mill or drill press is an absolute must. Try holding on to a 1/2" drill with an 1 1/8" bit inserted into the chuck going 400 RPM. Can't be done properly even if you are the Hulk. If you try it, you may as well throw the lamp stand away.

Making lamp stands is an enjoyable hobby:D
 
Well gents, I was today at Dlask and talked to Joe.

I asked if he sells 80's to Joe Blow and he started to smile.

I asked why he was smiling and he said that he was asked the same question some 20-30 times that day (it was about 1pm).
He said yes, he would, if the 80 was in stock.
The ar 80's are gone by now, you guys scared me, I had to buy one and after I bought it, there were 2 left. The one I bought I have to send it to a friend member of this board who lives back east in a "have not" province:D

The DAC394 (SIG P228) kits (complete kit and 60 or 80 frame) are few left and promised already and they will be not run again. Those two guys from the sites cncgunsmithing and tanneryshop bought them by crates like there was no tommorrow. I knew they had chromelined canadian legal barrel, but apparently they chop it off (cncgunsmithing) to original SIG dimensions.

I didn't ask about 1911 60's and 80's (nor about kits), but I know Dlask will not drop them from production.

As Joe said, ar 80's will be run again in jan-feb, but I don't bet money on it cause the shop is so busy with some other stuf that I had to stay in line to get Armedsask's magwell a couple of weeks ago.

But strangely, Joe said ar 80's in jan-feb, unless #### happens.
I think he was reffering to some surprise act of law.
From april until now he said he sold almost three times as many compared to previous years. Well, people like to have a hobby, you know...

These are the facts. I understand that NaOH and Randall Flagg have different information and I don't intend to get into any pissing match with anyone on this board based on a different experience we might have had in the same shop.
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Thanks for the update Doc. I don't doubt anything you said but I just don't understand why Joe himself told me (when I emailed to order one) that he'd only sell to a licenced gunsmith.

I guess I'll call again and see if he'll sell me one today.
 
fat tony said:
This might be a little of topic, but I hear this term: "licensed gunsmith" an awful lot. But as far as I know( I might be misinformed) the trade does not exist. Do they mean licensed manufacturer? I would think trade classifications is a provincial juristiction, no?
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As long as I know, "gunsmith" is not a recognized trade in any province.
I think they refer some time to persons working in licensed gunsmithing shops.
 
A gunsmithing license DOES exist ... as in ###xxGR, and ###xxRR. The "GR" stands for "Gunsmithing - Restricted" and the "RR" stands for "Retailer - Restricted" ...
as in "Duble OH RR" ...
licensed to sell.

Therfor ,
by definition,
if one has such a thing,
one becomes a "Licensed" gunsmith.

Actual ability and qualifications are optional ...
"yesterday I could hardly spell Gunsmiter, and Now I are one".
 
I wouldn't deal with he AR15plus guy- his Canadian contact took my buddies money and disappeared shortly thereafter. Apparently AR15plus wasn't helpful in getting it resolved...

KungFooBob said:
Dlask lists them. AR15plus also lists a Canadian contact on their site. KT ordinance in the US has a 4-piece bolt together unit that is supposed to be less work, but its somewhat expensive.

I've thought it would be an interesting project, but I have trouble swallowing the costs associated with the project.

The main appeal for me is having a lower I can register with my own clever brand and serial number.

As for the question of "Why would you want to do this?" - Its better than watching TV...

Please keep us up-to-date on the project, if you decide to go ahead with it!


KFB
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i ordered some lowers from the Ar15+ canadian guy. been on order since june. he doesn't have any of my money, or the lowers.

i met him at a show. he told me customs still has them, and won't even talk to him.
 
Dr.Lector said:
Wha???
In half an hour I'm going to make a detour and drop by his shop and ask him and #####-slap him (twice!!) if he gives that answer:p
But, if he says it's BS and he sells forgings or 80% to anyone, then what?:confused: :confused:
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Lector is never happy. He'll make comments and cry and ##### all the time no
matter what you do:dancingbanana:
 
Deckard said:
Lector is never happy. He'll make comments and cry and ##### all the time no
matter what you do:dancingbanana:
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Yes and I am even worse than that, Deckard:)
My only concern was that you might have misinterpreted some of my posts.
Thanks for being (so far) one of those guys who can take a joke, Deckard.
:)
 
Well an update. i got my Ar Jig the other day, i will post pics of it when i ahve it but it is really well constructed and came with instructions on how to complete and 80% lower. I havent gotten a lower yet to try but i think i will in 3-4 weeks. I jsut want to study the plans for now.

As well. Does anyone know where i could get this lower lasered for a serial number/logo? and how about anodizing?
 
You could try Dlask for the engraving, but I hear that they can be a huge pain to deal with. I'd contact Arwenace about the anodizing.

As for the guys who have tried to order 80% forgings from the States and can't figure out why they never showed up the explanation is quite simple; Forgings are considered military technology by the Yanks and therefore require an export permit from the State Dept. No permit=No forging.
 
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