80% ar15 alternative?

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Could you produce an ar15 alternative, that has the trigger group milled out to ar15 spec, and leave the lower unfinished somewhere?
 
So... you want a lower that needs the magwell finished? What's the point, just buy a stripped lower... I doubt anyone is going to risk making unfinished lowers after the RCMP decided they were prohib.
 
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I believe that the intent of the RCMP "ruling" is so there would be only three possibilities for an 80% AR lower:

1. You have a block of aluminum that in no way is definable as being solely for the use to make a restricted firearm, that it could instantly be continued to be milled into something else like a carburetor block.

2. You have a block of aluminum that is definable as being solely for the use to make a restricted firearm, has characteristics of becoming a restricted firearm, but is not registered and therefor is an illegal prohibited device that will result in a lot of criminal charges being laid against you and the manufacturer and/or importer.

3. You have a block of aluminum that is definable as being solely for the use to make a restricted firearm, has characteristics of becoming a restricted firearm, but registered as a restricted firearm and therefor requires you to have a legal restricted PAL.

In the end you end up with option #3 and the only reason you would do a per-registered 80% AR lower is if you are doing a special magazine for a special upper, custom art work, custom engraving or the like. The RCMP "ruling" is to close any possibility of any 80% AR lower being unregistered.

So, yes, Dlask could do one and I can bet what they will say: "Only if it is registered to you before you take possession of it."
 
We can make anything we want.

Unfortunately howerever, you cannot. AR-15 80% lowers are not Restricted, they are Prohibited. If you wish to gunsmith your own AR-15 in this country now then you will need to start with a raw 0% forging as your basis.

This is all I will say on the subject until our own Mr. Merkel is replaced by someone with their thought train rooted in reality.

Cheers fellas.
 
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We can make anything we want.

Unfortunately howerever, you cannot. AR-15 80% lowers are not Restricted, they are Prohibited. If you wish to gunsmith your own AR-15 in this country now then you will need to start with a raw 0% forging as your basis.

This is all I will say on the subject until our own Mr. Merkel is replaced by someone with their thought train rooted in reality.

Cheers fellas.
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were all greatful for the work you do, thanks!
 
Aniest said:
I believe that the intent of the RCMP "ruling" is so there would be only three possibilities for an 80% AR lower:

1. You have a block of aluminum that in no way is definable as being solely for the use to make a restricted firearm, that it could instantly be continued to be milled into something else like a carburetor block.

2. You have a block of aluminum that is definable as being solely for the use to make a restricted firearm, has characteristics of becoming a restricted firearm, but is not registered and therefor is an illegal prohibited device that will result in a lot of criminal charges being laid against you and the manufacturer and/or importer.

3. You have a block of aluminum that is definable as being solely for the use to make a restricted firearm, has characteristics of becoming a restricted firearm, but registered as a restricted firearm and therefor requires you to have a legal restricted PAL.

In the end you end up with option #3 and the only reason you would do a per-registered 80% AR lower is if you are doing a special magazine for a special upper, custom art work, custom engraving or the like. The RCMP "ruling" is to close any possibility of any 80% AR lower being unregistered.

So, yes, Dlask could do one and I can bet what they will say: "Only if it is registered to you before you take possession of it."
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but we have to honest here. 99% of the people buying 80% lowers are buying for one reason only,they are NOT registered.simple as that,most if not all of those buyers have no intention and have never has any intentions of registering these things,so for them this stupid ruling by the RCMP is a joke,doesn't affect them one bit,and seeing as the 80% lower are still coming into the country by a variety of ways,the RCMP ruling still doesn't mean squat to those who want these things,LOL. not to mention how easy it is the machine one from a CAD available all over the place,you dont even need an 80%,fact is,you just can't stop this from happening,to the people that are doing these things,it simply doesn't matter.it's illegal by the RCMP's interpretation yes,but these guys are ALREADY breaking the law,so it matters very little to them,in the end,,if our gun laws weren't so retarded,these 80% things wouldn't even be an issue here,
 
tony9000 said:
were all greatful for the work you do, thanks!
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I agree 100%!!

Wiskey1 said:
no intention and have never has any intentions of registering these things... are ALREADY breaking the law,so it matters very little to them,in the end
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I also agree with you 100%. The RCMP and law makers don't seem to care if something is already illegal, they find a way to make it illegal over and over and over... Common sense and reality, unfortunately, have nothing to do with their thinking.

Dlask Arms said:
We can make anything we want.
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I liked my "bet" answer better, but yours is just as true.

I have sometimes thought of getting a "97% lower" where it is a usable registered lower but no finish and make the thickness of the mag well 10x as thick so it could be custom carved by an artist (to do something like a Spike's Warthog or Jack but with something custom like the CGN Beaver).
 
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Or this one, a bolt together metal receiver.

ht tp://www.guns.com/2013/12/06/bolt-together-ar-15-lower-receiver-3d-printer-necessary/

Plans floating on the internet for years already.
Don't forget to register it :)
 
I think I understand their logic (however screwed up it may be (I don't agree with it BTW)). It is like how Metallica felt about Napster. They had no issue with people copying their music on tape as you can only have a finite amount before the recording gets bad (iow limited supply) but when Napster came along and had digital copies very easily accessible to even the common Man and could flood the market they then had issue.
In this case the RCMP recognizes anyone with any amount of skill could make their own receiver and not register it but the 80% removes the majority of skill involved, but with them removed from the market it reduces the amount of potential unregistered lowers. I just don't see a banger carving a lower out of wood or buying an angle grinder to cut up some aluminum flats, he will just find something else out there or steal one.
 
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