80% lower?

[airtruck63chev]

Well I suppose that at that point your vise would be a receiver

receivers would be a upper? and are not registered.
so if you hit with a sledge hammer then that would be your lower fire control and have to register the hammer...

 

[TDC]

Before you start throwing out 'bullsh!t', maybe you could enlighten me (the board) by telling me(us) how many ar lowers you have actually built (from solid blocks of aluminum I might add) and registered.

If the answer is 0 then you can kindly go stick it.

If, for example, the fire control group is cut and you can duck tape the upper to the lower and the hammer can engage the firing pin, its a receiver. Think that's bullsh!it? Guess what; the rcmp doesn't. They have done it before. They don't care if the gun self destructs after firing one round.

So, no, '80%' can count as a firearm and it does't need to be '100%' .

I've completed two receivers, one of each style. Neither would function until complete. Thanks for asking.

TDC

 

[airtruck63chev]

I've completed two receivers, one of each style. Neither would function until complete. Thanks for asking.

TDC

and how did they turn out? was it worth the time and effort to finish?
did you have the jig to go with? have been looking at these for years..

 

[*MALICE*]

You CANNOT put an upper on the dlask 80's so stop implying that you can. The channel for the front retaining pin lug is not cut. You'd have to cut the lug off the upper if you wanted to "tape" it on.

And even if you did that, the pin holes for the trigger and hammer Arn't there so how you gonna fire it?

And I'm sure that the Dlask ones are probably not machined enough to get you into trouble.

I'm not implying that you can do that with the Dlask ones. I even mention that the Dlask ones are likely good to go. If you carefully read my posts you will notice I am talking about the generality of '80% receivers' and that there is no standard of what 80% is allowed to be done. Nor will the RCMP tell you. And don't put it past the firearms techs that they wouldn't cut the front lug off either.

receivers would be a upper? and are not registered.

I was referring to the vise being the lower receiver and jokingly stating that it could be considered as such.

I've completed two receivers, one of each style. Neither would function until complete. Thanks for asking.

So then you should understand that depending on what 80% you mill, depends on whether it will allow a round to be fired.

I could minimally machine a raw forging just enough that while it wouldn't be considered a 100% ar15 lower (nor even a 80% or 40% for that matter), it would be completed enough for the RCMP to consider it a firearm.

 

[TDC]

and how did they turn out? was it worth the time and effort to finish?
did you have the jig to go with? have been looking at these for years..

A lot of work. Completed with a drill press and hand drill so definitely not the best tools for the job. They turned out alright. I had a jig so that really helped.

TDC

 

[NorCalDustin]

BULLSH*T!

No 80% receivers are capable of functioning. Whether that be those that require drilling/tapping or those that only require milling of the the fire control pocket. 80% is still not 100% and 100% is needed to function.

TDC

Wanna to bet?

There are lots of things that company's used to leave unfinished to get the 20% of uncompleted work (I even have some of those still). True, these days what is normally defined as an 80% is very standardized... but it wasn't always that way.

and how did they turn out? was it worth the time and effort to finish?
did you have the jig to go with? have been looking at these for years..

I've got... Lets just say a number of them

IMHO, If you can legally do it... It's worth the time.

My first few I didn't have a jig but used an old bridgeport to mill them... It took some work to ensure I got the lowers in spec but they turned out really nice.

Now that I have a couple of jigs it's very easy to finish a 60% or 80% paperweight. The 0%'s are a serious pain but once the magwell's are roughly milled out you can finish them with a nice set of files.

Drill press build's rarely turn out nicely (because people don't take their time) but when the "right" tools are unavailable it can work... I've also seen one dremel build, it looked really good but apparently took over 20 hours to complete (Where as on a mill they take ~30-60 minutes, with a CNC ~15-20).


If you can legally do it... And you can buy to get someone to let you use the right tool's... I'd say try it. It wont normally save you money though vs. buying a new lower.


Here are some pictures of one I did a while back. It had a Teflon finish on the 80% and was my attempt at a sub-30 minute AR-15 (My friends and I were having a race to see who could finish an 80% in the least amount of time). I never did clean up the chatter inside, but I do like this one a lot because of the finish on the outside.

 

[Power Pill]

the way the law is written, is if it is GOING to be a gun, it already is.

lowers at 0% have to be registered as soon as you INTEND to make a gun.

Lowers at 0% would be a block of aluminium

By that logic you have to register 1.25" electrical conduit because you might build a sten receiver with it

 

[Armedsask]

Lowers at 0% would be a block of aluminum

By that logic you have to register 1.25" electrical conduit because you might build a sten receiver with it

Exactly. Now you see the issue.

There was a member that drilled a hole in a block of aluminum, trigger locked it, and attempted to register it. This was a response to the RCMP tech's interpretation of the law. As soon as you intended to make a gun, then it's a gun and needs to be registered.

 

[airtruck63chev]

so im going to register my hammer cause i want to tape a 12g shell to it and use it for a door breacher, wait !! the lg registry is dead i dont have to anymore!! wait its to short then it makes it prohibited , dam i have a prohibited weapon!! so can i get grandfathered a 12.4? cause i owned the hammer for at least 20 years...

 

[yukoner]

Exactly. Now you see the issue.

There was a member that drilled a hole in a block of aluminum, trigger locked it, and attempted to register it. This was a response to the RCMP tech's interpretation of the law. As soon as you intended to make a gun, then it's a gun and needs to be registered.

i for one would like to see proof of this and the resulting regestration cert for this "reciever"

normally i would say BS but with the cops you never know

 

[Leg]

You don't need a receiver extension to put the bolt carrier in the upper. Not having that hole drilled only means the gun won't cycle upon firing (single shot and you would have to remove the upper to load a new round).

Do'h, not sure where my head was at when I wrote that. You're right.

I do believe them to be legal but it is open to interpretation I suppose.

 

[P0WERWAGON]

Lowers at 0% would be a block of aluminium

By that logic you have to register 1.25" electrical conduit because you might build a sten receiver with it

funny, i engraved a 0% lower, had it sent to the RCMP, and guess what.... came back as a registered AR. even have the FRT paperwork describing the firearm.

so back to what i said, if there is INTENT to make a firearm, the object IS a firearm

 

[TDC]

funny, i engraved a 0% lower, had it sent to the RCMP, and guess what.... came back as a registered AR. even have the FRT paperwork describing the firearm.

so back to what i said, if there is INTENT to make a firearm, the object IS a firearm

The real question is, why did you send a block of aluminum to the RCMP??

TDC

 

[Gothmog]

funny, i engraved a 0% lower, had it sent to the RCMP, and guess what.... came back as a registered AR. even have the FRT paperwork describing the firearm.

so back to what i said, if there is INTENT to make a firearm, the object IS a firearm

where did you put the trigger lock?

 

[grandmasterP]

you can't get 80% lowers any more.

they're more like 60% lowers for AR's and 40% 1911's even though they're called 60% 1911 frames

Joe Dlask has them, even though they're not on his web site.

don't know if he still has the 10/22 frames any more. he used to have the 228 frames and build kits too

I should have bought as many 1911 and AR frames as I could when they were still 80%

most people don't have the tools or machinery to complete anything that is less than 80% done

Joe told me only 1 out of 5 people that buy the 80% frames actually finish them. the rest either #### up the frame or give up

so there must be a few 80% frames out there that people have butchered or gave up on

where are they?

Does anybody know where to get an 80% lower?

 

[NorCalDustin]

you can't get 80% lowers any more.

they're more like 60% lowers for AR's and 40% 1911's even though they're called 60% 1911 frames

Joe Dlask has them, even though they're not on his web site.

don't know if he still has the 10/22 frames any more. he used to have the 228 frames and build kits too

I should have bought as many 1911 and AR frames as I could when they were still 80%

most people don't have the tools or machinery to complete anything that is less than 80% done

Joe told me only 1 out of 5 people that buy the 80% frames actually finish them. the rest either f**k up the frame or give up

so there must be a few 80% frames out there that people have butchered or gave up on

where are they?

I've seen at least 50 that have been F-ed up so badly that they cannot really be fixed and probably over 100 that were butchered but still basically usable with the addition of a totally contained trigger group or some KNS pins or a little of extra work... And once someone try's and puts any milling into the frame or paperweight it is no longer considered an 80%...

 

[haha49]

you can't get 80% lowers any more.

they're more like 60% lowers for AR's and 40% 1911's even though they're called 60% 1911 frames

Joe Dlask has them, even though they're not on his web site.

don't know if he still has the 10/22 frames any more. he used to have the 228 frames and build kits too

I should have bought as many 1911 and AR frames as I could when they were still 80%

most people don't have the tools or machinery to complete anything that is less than 80% done

Joe told me only 1 out of 5 people that buy the 80% frames actually finish them. the rest either f**k up the frame or give up

so there must be a few 80% frames out there that people have butchered or gave up on

where are they?

Trash can. You need the proper tools to complete it so its not easy to do then you have to do the paper work once its completed as well. also a pain in the rear. I was thinking about doing it for a custom fit then I figered it was easyier to just buy it

 

[tiriaq]

Nothing to do with an AR, or a commerical incomplete AR receiver, but when I made a restricted firearm, I was told that I could complete the receiver, register it as a stripped receiver, and then update the registration when the firearm was complete, or, complete the firearm and then register it.
If actually doing such a project, it might be a good idea to contact the powers that be and act according to their advice.

 

[dogzilla]

Been there done that. You can finish the receiver complete before registering, and have 30 days from completion to do so (and no you CANNOT take it to the range before registering). They require pictures of both sides and from the top down showing the internal cavity. You must show the serial no., and it has to be a certain depth (about .010 if I remember correct) Also they will veto a serial no if it is offensive (like f### you) and you get to grind it out and start again. Other than that you can put in whatever you like for a serial no. Once they have approved it, they will issue you an frt # and you just register it online, and it can be registered as a receiver only, although they say once you put an upper on it to re register it, but if you are using multiple uppers their isn't much point. My AR 15 is a receiver only , and my AR10 is barreled. This was for receivers from scratch, but I doubt it is any differant for an 80%.

 

[yukoner]

funny, i engraved a 0% lower, had it sent to the RCMP, and guess what.... came back as a registered AR. even have the FRT paperwork describing the firearm.

so back to what i said, if there is INTENT to make a firearm, the object IS a firearm

this is bs
remember the rcmp will regester anything including black and decker heat guns, which they have done.

i would really like to see how you would "intend "to make a firearm out of a heat gun, that would be really neat.

just because they gave you a reg cert does NOT make it a firearm
send them a rock and they will issue a cert for it as its is the raw material with which you "intend " to make steel and then a reciever.
they dont care its just paper to them and a way to keep a job.

and good luck registering intent (thoughts)
Just say NO to thought police