858 0r sks?

I agree with Claven. Most people are aware that demand has an effect on prices.

Claven: Hey it's just a stock swap! lol If you can point me in the direction of a battle rifle as proven as the SKS, made from forged steel, that comes standard with a nice modern adjustable stock, pistol grip, will accept 20/5 detachable mags, and shoots the nice cheap x39 round for $450 I will buy it ;)

Don't get me wrong.... I think the SKS looks awesome just as it is, but I would also like to modernize one as well. I have small hands and due to the thickness of the wood stock, it's a bit of a stretch for my trigger finger.
 
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I like my CZ, I tried my buddies SKS s before buying one. SKSs are fun to shoot and tough as nails, but I preferred the look and the pistol grip of the CZ. I would do the same over even though the CZs have went up in price and the SKS has came down.
 
You can now get a 20 or 30 round detachable mag for your sks that has the built in mag.
Made by Tapco, saw at a gunshow a couple of weeks ago for 65 bucks, wish I woulda bought it, it looked like "the ####" as well. Didn't get it cuz I figured there'd likely be feed issues even though the vendor said it feeds as reliably as the built in ####ty 5 rounder.
All the 20's and 30's were pinned to the lame 5 but still looked pretty good
 
Milshooter... we are on the same page :D. That is the mag I was talking about. I was listing off the features of an SKS in the Tapco stock with the Tapco dm's to Claven as he was suggesting I leave the rifle as is and buy a different gun with all those features standard.

The Tapco mag does look ultra cool.
 
Nova-Wake said:
why do people bash the 858 without having one? everything i hear is positive, and it has been around 50+ years, if it was so cheap don't you think they would have replaced it a few years after it came out or with the AK when everything went commie? I'm going with the vz58 being "cheap" or what i call light is a goal of mine, if the SHTF you can carry your damn 9lb+ rifle and load 10 rounds at a time. I love the SKS to, but i relegate it to arming my unskilled even poorer than me friends and plan on doing so. ill stick to 30rnd capacity(if shtf you guys can drill the rivet out) . and a folding stock.
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You can do the same with an sks as well. Provided you have tapco magz. Well it may not be 30 rounds but 20 will suffice in a pinch.
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I used to have both. Got rid of the CZ. Don't get me wrong, i really liked the CZ but i personally like the SKS better.

I have it all fitted up with a tapco stock and a (5)20 round detachable magazine. I just like the feel, weight and looks of the SKS. It seems pretty reliable as well.

Each to their own. both i would recommend
 
Tapco is pure sh*t. Oh, and modifying your SKS to accept removable magazines is nothing more than an attempt at having the advantages offered by the VZ/CZ. So why not get a VZ/CZ instead of wasting time and money on crap accessories?

TDC
 
for the same price of an cz 858 you can get an sks and almost 3 crates of ammo...i go for the sks. i think people just get the tapco mag for the look, can you even use stripper clips with the tapco mag?
 
I found the sks is overweight, it feels like a battle rifle with an underpowered cartridge, the cz feels like a nice like assault rifle with a powerful cartridge. Just my perception of the two.
 
neotekz said:
for the same price of an cz 858 you can get an sks and almost 3 crates of ammo...i go for the sks. i think people just get the tapco mag for the look, can you even use stripper clips with the tapco mag?
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3 crates of ammo,shipping included will be 750$+220$ for the SKS+shipping =245$=995$-expensive CZ 858!!!
 
What the hey, I'll throw in my 2 cents. Rant mode on.

I remember when you could get a Norc Ak47 for $219 at LeBarons with 2 30rd mags not pinned and bayo lugs. Had a blast too! My only problem with it was that it's semi only and had 19" barrel. Not what the gun was intended to be. I just hate "civie" versions of a gun that already worked fine in full-auto. Same goes with the 858, but now you have 5rd 30 mags. WTF? I guess it looks cool, but a real 858 it's not. Just a castrated one due to anti-gun laws we accept. Ugh! OK, get the restricted version for correct barrel.

Now the SKS gets a 5rd treatment. At least it still looks like the original design with bayonet and regular barrel. We sure know how to bastardize guns and accept it.
Just wish all you youngsters could have the real deal, full mags, full-auto rock and roll. You are really missing it.

Rant mode off.
 
TDC said:
Tapco is pure sh*t. Oh, and modifying your SKS to accept removable magazines is nothing more than an attempt at having the advantages offered by the VZ/CZ. So why not get a VZ/CZ instead of wasting time and money on crap accessories?
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I have never seen any of Tapco's stocks or mags in person so I have no idea what they are like. Though I have never read a single negative comment about either. Does something on the rifle need to be modded in order to accept the Tapco magazines? I thought once the Tapco stock was on there they were good to go. I do agree however, that after adding up the cost of all the Tapco accessories, it probably wouldn't be worth it for me. I didn't know the mags were that expensive, and the Tapco gas tube is really pricey as well.

I can understand why some people still choose the SKS though. Not everyone wants to pay $800 for a painted rifle, which may or may not have the gremlin, and may or may not have a canted front sight.
 
cornelunc said:
3 crates of ammo,shipping included will be 750$+220$ for the SKS+shipping =245$=995$-expensive CZ 858!!!
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I get a total $875 when calculating 3 crates and an sks. Cz858 = $800... then if you get your carrier tabbed add $35 plus shipping. Works out about the same for me.

Not a very expensive CZ at all.
 
CanuckShooter said:
So true. I mean let's compare the Ruger Mini-14/30 that sell for over $1000 to a Norinco M14. The Ruger is clearly the better rifle, far more accurate, I mean, you can even hit a barn door with it without even trying, and in fact, yes it is more than twice the rifle the M14 is.

Which would also mean that the CZ is "better" than the M14 as well, just like the Rugers. I am curious, just for argument's sake.... what makes the CZ better than the M14. Since it does cost more, and cost dictates what is "better"...
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M14 would cost You much more than CZ Sir.
I guess You are referring to M305...aren't You?
Between SKS and CZ there is only one winner.
You can twist your logic as long as You want to.
And in regards to Mini 14 - it's seems like You never had one.
 
Nestor said:
Between SKS and CZ there is only one winner.
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??? Winner at what, exactly?

As stated before - they are not even the same class of firearm!!!

One is a select-fire assault rifle modified to be a semi. It is built on a compact assault rifle chassy using a short barrel with a nearly identical gas system to the SKS, but that is where the similarities stop.

The VZ is detachable box mag, non-integrated bayonet, typically folding stock ASSAULT RIFLE (limited to semi for Canadian market).

The SKS predates Combloc assault rifles and is a semi-auto carbine designed in 1945 (fielded for the first time during the assault on Berlin) more properly compared to the M1 carbine or even the VZ52.

If you want to compare apples to apples, compare the SKS to the VZ52. That's a better way to put it. Those guns are directly comparable.

But if you INSIST on comparing a VZ58 to a SKS (whick would be like comparing a M1 carbine to an M4A2), then define by what criteria are you evaluating a "winner"?

Mall ninja fashion sense?

Both are now effectively 5 round semi-autos in 7.62x39 that will typically be used for plinking or range work. Unless a detachable mag is important, neither is a clear "winner". And even then, detachable mag SKS carbines are available.

Euro pricing is a pretty good indicator. In most european countries the VZ58 sells for about the same, if not a little less, than a european-made SKS. Food for thought.
 
For sure the CZ is the better, more sought after rifle, but it comes at a price. You get what you pay for, right?

I have a SKS, and Im not trying to make them sound crappy or nothing, because they shoot half decent, but theres a reason that they are $250 and a CZ is around $700.

I would'nt mind having both if I could afford too.
 
Claven2 said:
But if you INSIST on comparing a VZ58 to a SKS (whick would be like comparing a M1 carbine to an M4A2), then define by what criteria are you evaluating a "winner"?

Mall ninja fashion sense?
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Well...instead of fashion I would prefer to point toward handling, ergonomics and accuracy.
...you know, quite important things to consider for the firearms in general and especially the semi-auto.
 
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Nestor said:
M14 would cost You much more than CZ Sir.
I guess You are referring to M305...aren't You?
Between SKS and CZ there is only one winner.
You can twist your logic as long as You want to.
And in regards to Mini 14 - it's seems like You never had one.
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Yes, my post did state "Norinco M14". You are right, I have never owned a Mini-14, but if you will read my post again, I said Mini-14/30, and yes my dad had a Mini-30 for a looooooong time. Then sold it after buying a Norinco M14 and finding out that it could do at 100yds with irons what the Mini could do at 50 with a scope. Don't get me wrong, I am sure it makes a decent brush rifle due to the light weight and length, probably much more comfy to tote around all day than the M14, so yes they have their place, but to say that they are 2.5x better than an M14, and to say higher price equates to a better product in all circumstances is just a bit off.

Different? Yes. Better? Define better....

Like I said... I am not on either side of the CZ/SKS debate. I am neutral at this point as I have not shot either of them yet. But I can see the merits of both.
 
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