870 folding stock that blocks trigger?

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Has anyone modified a folding stock for a Rem 870 so that it blocks the trigger when folded? I would really like to see a picture if possible.

I want to have a folding stock and a 12" barrel, but keep it non-restricted.
Thanks
 
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Hmmm...looks like I am going to have to make this up as I go along. I am in the process of acquiring a BC folding stock from a fellow CGNer. Once I get it, and talk my neighbour into welding on some type of trigger blocking tab I will post some pics.
 
I think the fact that the gun could still be fired with the folding stock at various positions other than just fully open would be enough to make it no longer non-restricted. It might look silly to fire it from the hip with the stock sticking out to the side but the fact remains that it can be done and the OAL has decreased to less than 26" by folding. Just my two cents anyway - I could be wrong...
 
You might want to check with the CFC/RCMP regarding your ideas for modification first. I would hate to see you go to all that trouble, and walk around showing it off, only to have the first badge who sees it lock you up in the clink. Just because you interpret the laws that way (much less the internet legal experts on this board), it don't necessarily make it so.

Just sayin.
 
bandicoot said:
I think the fact that the gun could still be fired with the folding stock at various positions other than just fully open would be enough to make it no longer non-restricted. It might look silly to fire it from the hip with the stock sticking out to the side but the fact remains that it can be done and the OAL has decreased to less than 26" by folding. Just my two cents anyway - I could be wrong...
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You're right of course..... however you could also argue that it is possible (although not very comfortable) to fire an 870 with the shoulder stock completely removed. If I removed a damaged shoulder stock and then stored the shotgun in my safe, until I buy and install a new one, have I created a restricted firearm?
 
Moose308 said:
You might want to check with the CFC/RCMP regarding your ideas for modification first. I would hate to see you go to all that trouble, and walk around showing it off, only to have the first badge who sees it lock you up in the clink. Just because you interpret the laws that way (much less the internet legal experts on this board), it don't necessarily make it so.

Just sayin.
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I agree with you. What do you think is the most practical way to do this? Could I modify it and take it to a local verifier to establish if it is non-restricted? Remember, I can always change the stock or add a longer barrel to make it compliant. However I understand that if it is registered as restricted, I can't change it back.
 
I think your idea that blocking the trigger is relevant is a red herring.

All the non-res guns I can think of that fold to under 26" are incapable of firing when folded. The Kel-tec Sub 2000 and SU-16 come to mind.

Blocking the trigger does just that, blocks the trigger. Mechanically, it's still in a condition where it can be made to operate.
 
Tom E Gun said:
Has anyone modified a folding stock for a Rem 870 so that it blocks the trigger when folded? I would really like to see a picture if possible.

I want to have a folding stock and a 12" barrel, but keep it non-restricted.
Thanks
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Call Dlask. I believe they may have worked on something like this at one time.
 
I started a thread on this concept a few months ago, using a different mechanism (shameless self promotion :D). http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=736805

I am currently working on a prototype which I'm considering bringing to market because I think there would be demand for it. I haven't posted updates because I want to have my ducks in a row first, and unfortunately I can only dedicate a few hours a week to it currently. But keep your eyes peeled for an exciting new product in the coming months! Any experienced shotgun owners who are interested in beta testing it and providing feedback, let me know - ammo and beer is on me :).

So as to not be hijacking, hopefully I can provide some useful info. There are several other CGNers I'm in touch with who are working on the same concept but for different firearms and using different mechanisms. The consensus from our individual conversations with technicians at the CFC is that you need to lock/prevent it being able to fire before it closes past 26". It doesn't matter how the stock/mechanism is assembled or attached, they only look at it in the current configuration. I need to call and find out about the verification process still, so I can't help you there.

For what you have in mind, perhaps the plates that cover the trigger could be attached to the front of the stock, so that they pivot over the trigger immediately after the stock begins to fold? Or have separate plates that are cammed over the trigger by the stock somehow, so that the plates would move more rapidly than the stock?

Good luck, happy to see more people exploring this loophole, despite any potential commercial interest I may have. Hopefully it doesn't get closed. Perhaps I should stop talking then :rolleyes:.
 
hkr said:
For what you have in mind, perhaps the plates that cover the trigger could be attached to the front of the stock, so that they pivot over the trigger immediately after the stock begins to fold? Or have separate plates that are cammed over the trigger by the stock
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Interesting idea. But I would be concerned that in the event of a violent stock lock failure, that thse covers slid over the trigger while my pudgy finger is still inside the trigger guard. Digital guillotine. Ouchers. Let's hope the design prevents this sort of thing from happening.
 
hkr;
Thanks for the reply. I just discovered your thread on this topic and was part way thru typing a pm to you, when I saw your post here. I would be happy to be a beta tester for your stock. I have no interest in making my stock into a commercial product, so there would be no conflict there. Prior to reading your post, I was looking at a Sage sliding stock, thinking that a flat plate each side that covered the trigger at 26" oal would be a great idea. Your design seems similar in concept.

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on edit: Actually, now that i look at it, that sage stock pictured above would be approx 26" oal with a 12.5" barrel when fully collapsed.
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Moose308 said:
Interesting idea. But I would be concerned that in the event of a violent stock lock failure, that thse covers slid over the trigger while my pudgy finger is still inside the trigger guard. Digital guillotine. Ouchers. Let's hope the design prevents this sort of thing from happening.
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Good point, that would be a nasty surprise. My design remains clear of all digits so it's a non issue but if someone were to pursue this route they might want to consider some sort of safety to prevent this.

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hkr;
Thanks for the reply. I just discovered your thread on this topic and was part way thru typing a pm to you, when I saw your post here. I would be happy to be a beta tester for your stock. I have no interest in making my stock into a commercial product, so there would be no conflict there. Prior to reading your post, I was looking at a Sage sliding stock, thinking that a flat plate each side that covered the trigger at 26" oal would be a great idea. Your design seems similar in concept.

on edit: Actually, now that i look at it, that sage stock pictured above would be approx 26" oal with a 12.5" barrel when fully collapsed.
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Great, I'll be in touch when I get to that stage. Yeah the sage was one of the designs I drew inspiration from, but it's not going to be exactly like that. The problem with a plate covering it, finger loss aside, is that it reduces the amount of grip available to hold when it's collapsed(ing), so you can't hold onto it naturally. Which maybe doesn't matter if you're not going to be firing it in that position, but it turned me off of it.

The measurements I took with a 14" barrel put the shortest collapsed length at around 24-25" OAL. You don't really start seeing the benefit until you're down to an 8.5" or 6" barrel. Which is why one is in the mail to me as we speak :cool:.

Edit: Spoke with CFC yesterday re: verification and they said you just need to send in some high res photos showing both details and entire firearm. I have a feeling they may request to look at it in person still, as that seems too easy, but you never know. I'll pm you the address. If they emailed you back approval I suppose you could print it off and keep it as insurance for any LEOs that don't believe you.
 
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hkr said:
Edit: Spoke with CFC yesterday re: verification and they said you just need to send in some high res photos showing both details and entire firearm. I have a feeling they may request to look at it in person still, as that seems too easy, but you never know. I'll pm you the address. If they emailed you back approval I suppose you could print it off and keep it as insurance for any LEOs that don't believe you.
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Very useful information, thanks hkr!
 
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