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Here's some price comparisons.
REMINGTON 870 12GA X 2-3/4" GOOD $349
REMINGTON 870 WINGMASTER 12GA X 2-3/4" MOD 28" BARREL VG $369
Remington 870 Express 3 ½” Super Magnum Full 30” New $ 344.99 ($314.99 after rebate)

As you can see the older used guns seem to be worth even more then the new 870's. Are the older used guns really worth paying more for then just simply getting a new one instead?
 
While the old 870s are cute, they have a severe drawback when it comes to using steel shot. The barrels are very weak and cannot stand up to the high pressure of steel shot. Several years ago, Rmington settled a class action suit in the US about burst 870, 1100 and 11-87 barrels when using steel shot.:mad:
Buyer beware!:eek:

Best regards,
Henry
PS: Spend the few $$ MORE and get a modern pump such as a Nova!:dancingbanana:
 
hnachaj said:
While the old 870s are cute, they have a severe drawback when it comes to using steel shot. The barrels are very weak and cannot stand up to the high pressure of steel shot. Several years ago, Rmington settled a class action suit in the US about burst 870, 1100 and 11-87 barrels when using steel shot.:mad:
Buyer beware!:eek:

Best regards,
Henry
PS: Spend the few $$ MORE and get a modern pump such as a Nova!:dancingbanana:
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That is good info
Thanks Henry
 
macka said:
depends on the hardware. I know a lot of people like the wood look of the old ones. I also think the older 870's have more machined parts inside, and move a lot smoother.
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They have the same amount of machining save the trigger housing on the expresses.

The older 870's are smoother just from use.
 
macka said:
That is good info
Thanks Henry
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No, it's bad info. While there was a lawsuit, to suggest that older Remington barrels are "very weak and cannot stand up to the high pressure of steel shot" is wrong.

What happened was that Remington was sued and settled the claim before proceeding to trial. The suit had nothing to do with steel shot. It had everything to do with rapacious lawyers making a killing on contingency fees and a company believing it was better to pay and get out of a protracted legal dispute.

Here are a couple of links for more info:

http://www.gunsmoke.com/guns/rem_shotgun_lawsuit.html

http://www.gunsmoke.com/guns/rem_lawsuit_settlement.html

The change in barrel steel for Remington came in 1995. I shoot two pre-1995Remingtons with steel and have no concerns. Anyone who believes that Remingtons made before that date have barrels that are "very weak" I will take any and all of them off your hands so you can feel safe and secure.:rolleyes:
 
Mine is 49 years old and after having it bored out to modified, I've been shooting steel in it for five years now with no issues.

It was barely used at all when I got it six years ago and slick as snot on a doorknob from day one.
 
RePete said:
They have the same amount of machining save the trigger housing on the expresses.

The older 870's are smoother just from use.
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Just wondering why the noticeable difference in smoothness between a new WM and a new Ex now???
 
hnachaj said:
While the old 870s are cute, they have a severe drawback when it comes to using steel shot. The barrels are very weak and cannot stand up to the high pressure of steel shot. Several years ago, Remington settled a class action suit in the US about burst 870, 1100 and 11-87 barrels when using steel shot.:mad:
Buyer beware!:eek:
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If I understand correctly, the only real danger would be that the end of the bbl MAY bulge a bit as the steel has no "give" as it passes though the choked area. This is not the case with lead shot, esp with full chokes. Many lead shot bbls were opened up to IC or Mod and were used with steel with no problems at all.

Also, I wasn't aware that steel shot loads were loaded to significantly higher pressures than lead.


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A lot of Expresses that I've modded have been smooth but some of them are a couple of years old. I'm working on one now that's only had a box of shells through it and it's very slick.

Greenhorse six. Re read your post.

The dimples went in because it's cheaper to add them, use injection moulded retainer and a MIM mag cap, than to machine the mag cap and puch a spring steel retainer.
 
:p The problem with the older barrels had much to do with some steel shells that did not have a good wad that protected the barrel from the pellets. Many of the cheaper shells used thin wall wads that would let the pellets penetrate and scour or damage otherwise the barrels. :mad:

Please take the time and dismantle what you are shooting and compare it to other shells! Federal uses one of the thickest wads in the industry.

Best regards,
Henry;)
 
They all slick up with use, that's just life. But you don't know where they've been or how they've been treated. Just like 40 single women - they may have issues.
 
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