BeaverMeat
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who's stocking them with walnut stocks?
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870 Police Magnum
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http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ington-870-18-quot-Police-Magnum-Walnut-Stock
I have one for sale.
I have one for sale.
Wanstalls as of right now!http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...Law-Enforcement-Division-870P-Walnut-IN-STOCK
$869, not giving them away, that's for sure. I thought the Police models had long mag tubes? Says 7+1 in the ad but that's definitely the wrong pic. Link is below.
http://wanstallsonline.com/product.php?productid=3716&cat=0&page=1
- Location
- South Ontario
$869, not giving them away, that's for sure. I thought the Police models had long mag tubes? Says 7+1 in the ad but that's definitely the wrong pic. Link is below.
http://wanstallsonline.com/product.php?productid=3716&cat=0&page=1
Beautiful shotgun however what makes it $396 more than the one I picked up from cebalas last year with xs sights free choke and breaches muzzle?
Looks like they sold out fast on them
Wingmaster and Police models are more expensive. I'm assuming what you bought wasn't either of these, unless it was a Black Friday deal or something.
- Location
- South Ontario
Correct I picked up an express tac. I'd like to handle one of these to see the difference. mine looks good not to much I can complain about. The one pictured does look like it has had a bit more attention to detail but again I'd have to see it to believe the $370 difference.
I have an 870P of recent production with the walnut stock and the 2+ factory extension. I also purchased an 870 Express 18" with the factory 2-shot extension and put a laminate stock on it. I think the difference in price was 300 bucks for the two guns, but I also paid for the laminate stock that didn't come with the regular 870 Express 18". I gave the Express away to somebody as a gift. I bought the Police to replace it.
My observations:
They're both 870 shotguns. They both operate the same basic way, and they were both 100% reliable with cheap shells, slugs, buckshot, etc. They both went bang when they were supposed to go bang. In fact, the person I gave the Express to reported that he took it out and was firing it until it was insanely hot and it never skipped a beat. I have heard that newer ones are rougher in the chamber area that may require polishing. My 870 P is a newer production one without the "M" serial number but it has been 100%.
When I upgraded from the Express to the Police, I found the following things:
-The parkerized finish on the Police is significantly better. Miles ahead. The cheap finish on the Express felt extremely rough to touch, and it had a rust spot on the receiver that could never be removed. Horrible finish. On the 870P, I will spray it down with oil and let it dry. It takes the gun from a light grey colour that it comes in and turns it almost black.
The receiver on the 870 Police also seems much more nicely finished BEFORE the external finish went on.
-The springs on the gun feel heavier. Even pushing the loading gate up takes more effort. The mag spring feels heavier. The safety feels heavier. Even when I dry fire it, the firing pin sounds like it hits with more gusto. Some could be legitimate upgrades, others could be because the gun is newer than my Express, which had a bunch more rounds through it. This makes loading shells into the mag tube more of a #####, because your thumb really has to fight that heavy spring. My 20" 590A1 has a significantly weaker mag spring, and the shells go into that tube a lot easier. The Mossberg open-bottom design is a lot more friendly for loading. I was going to say "in my opinion" but I think that's universal, but I'm not here to start a Mossberg vs Remington debate. They're both great shotguns and I own 'em both.
-The recoil pad on the 870P is a Limbsaver. I don't think the recoil pad on the Express was very good in comparison. Didn't even seem like a recoil pad as much as a rubber cap at the end.
-They both come with the same cheap orange plastic follower. For the price of the 870 Police, I wish they used a better follower. But the orange plastic factory one has not been problematic whatsoever.
This is my 870P
This was my old Express:
My observations:
They're both 870 shotguns. They both operate the same basic way, and they were both 100% reliable with cheap shells, slugs, buckshot, etc. They both went bang when they were supposed to go bang. In fact, the person I gave the Express to reported that he took it out and was firing it until it was insanely hot and it never skipped a beat. I have heard that newer ones are rougher in the chamber area that may require polishing. My 870 P is a newer production one without the "M" serial number but it has been 100%.
When I upgraded from the Express to the Police, I found the following things:
-The parkerized finish on the Police is significantly better. Miles ahead. The cheap finish on the Express felt extremely rough to touch, and it had a rust spot on the receiver that could never be removed. Horrible finish. On the 870P, I will spray it down with oil and let it dry. It takes the gun from a light grey colour that it comes in and turns it almost black.
The receiver on the 870 Police also seems much more nicely finished BEFORE the external finish went on.
-The springs on the gun feel heavier. Even pushing the loading gate up takes more effort. The mag spring feels heavier. The safety feels heavier. Even when I dry fire it, the firing pin sounds like it hits with more gusto. Some could be legitimate upgrades, others could be because the gun is newer than my Express, which had a bunch more rounds through it. This makes loading shells into the mag tube more of a #####, because your thumb really has to fight that heavy spring. My 20" 590A1 has a significantly weaker mag spring, and the shells go into that tube a lot easier. The Mossberg open-bottom design is a lot more friendly for loading. I was going to say "in my opinion" but I think that's universal, but I'm not here to start a Mossberg vs Remington debate. They're both great shotguns and I own 'em both.
-The recoil pad on the 870P is a Limbsaver. I don't think the recoil pad on the Express was very good in comparison. Didn't even seem like a recoil pad as much as a rubber cap at the end.
-They both come with the same cheap orange plastic follower. For the price of the 870 Police, I wish they used a better follower. But the orange plastic factory one has not been problematic whatsoever.
This is my 870P
This was my old Express:
This is what the upgrades are according to Wanstall's site:
The Remington Police Magnum is built heavier to withstand the abuse and pounding that police departments inflict on their gear. Upgrades from the tactical express include a metal trigger, heavier springs, a 22" magazine spring, and both front and rear swivel studs, as well as a parkerized steel finish inside a beautiful walnut wood stock.
The Remington Police Magnum is built heavier to withstand the abuse and pounding that police departments inflict on their gear. Upgrades from the tactical express include a metal trigger, heavier springs, a 22" magazine spring, and both front and rear swivel studs, as well as a parkerized steel finish inside a beautiful walnut wood stock.
Aluminum trigger guard vs. plastic.
I would say it's comparable. The 870P I got this year (+2, with synthetic furniture, rifle sights) arrived with a crooked rear sight. Kind of made me wonder about the "extra QC" these guns are supposed to undergo. Anyhow, the dealer made it right..and I'm very pleased with the gun. I've run all kinds of different loads through it, even bought all the goodies req. to make it a hunter. (28" VR barrel from an express, mag cap, mag spring retainer clip, shorter spring, plug, etc.) I wouldn't say it's as smooth as my low-mileage, vintage Wingmaster...but noticeably nicer than an 870 Express.
Here it is wearing a vintage, 1951 Wingmaster stock set I refinished this winter;
The difference for "Police" marked guns, and why they cost more $$$, is this:
Police guns are put together in a small room separate from the main 870 production line. Police built 870's are life or death" guns - they have to work!
Because of this, Remington factory police gun assemblers ensure that ONLY metal/forged parts (i.e., metal trigger guard, forged extractor) are installed on each "Police" marked 870 shotgun. Additional functional and tolerance checks are also done. Plus they use a good grade walnut for the furniture.
Wingmaster and Express line 870's will have polymer Trigger Guards, and several MIM (metal injection moulded) parts. MIM parts, such as the Ejector, are fine for hunting guns, but can break through hard use or magnum firing.
Forged, not MIM parts, are installed on police guns.
Police guns are put together in a small room separate from the main 870 production line. Police built 870's are life or death" guns - they have to work!
Because of this, Remington factory police gun assemblers ensure that ONLY metal/forged parts (i.e., metal trigger guard, forged extractor) are installed on each "Police" marked 870 shotgun. Additional functional and tolerance checks are also done. Plus they use a good grade walnut for the furniture.
Wingmaster and Express line 870's will have polymer Trigger Guards, and several MIM (metal injection moulded) parts. MIM parts, such as the Ejector, are fine for hunting guns, but can break through hard use or magnum firing.
Forged, not MIM parts, are installed on police guns.
Sounds like the 870P is to the 870, what the 590A1 is to the 500.
Except you can get a bare bones 590A1 for $579 (or less) and an 8+1 with peep sights for $629.
http://www.kellysonline.ca/collections/mossberg-shotguns/products/mossberg-590a1-heavy-barrel
Except you can get a bare bones 590A1 for $579 (or less) and an 8+1 with peep sights for $629.
http://www.kellysonline.ca/collections/mossberg-shotguns/products/mossberg-590a1-heavy-barrel
