870 Shorty Barrels

Made in America barrels can be had for less then $150 in the US.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/94620-1.html

$150 for a Chinese barrel seems expensive to me specially when it's not exactly to rem specs.

Why a 14" Made in Canada Barrel has to cost us over $400 is an interesting question.

Does it cost that much to make or is the price more reflective of American export laws not allowing Made in the US barrels to "Free Trade" into Canada.
 
Can-down said:
Made in America barrels can be had for less then $150 in the US.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/94620-1.html

$150 for a Chinese barrel seems expensive to me specially when it's not exactly to rem specs.

Why a 14" Made in Canada Barrel has to cost us over $400 is an interesting question.

Does it cost that much to make or is the price more reflective of American export laws not allowing Made in the US barrels to "Free Trade" into Canada.
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I don't think any of the Canadian barrels where over $400 but I may be mistaken. SFRC has the pre order for NEA barrel at under $300, but as per my conversation with them today I don't expect to see those barrels for a long while yet.
 
Your right I think the NEA barrels will be around $300 so say $360 delivered.
Still expensive for an 870 barrel that is cylinder choke with a basic bead sight.
 
luke s said:
they are on sale now for $185 which is only a few buck more than the chinese, hard to pass up
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It is a pretty good deal.....I bought one a few months ago but I wasn't that impressed with the thick profile heavy barrel and when the detent ball on the barrel lug flew off to parts unknown during it's first dissasembly I decided to return it.
NEA was great with the return.
 
freddyfour said:
I believe that they are the old batch that are a lot thicker and may not fit your 870 unless it is a 'P' without some fitting.
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It should fit but you will need to remove some material on your forearm to allow for the thicker profile.

Another thing I didn't like with the NEA was the parkerized chamber. Maybe it's a non issue but I'd rather have a polished chamber.
 
I guess I'm one of the "Commies" who bought a Chinese 12" barrel. I would have gladly bought a NA barrel to put on my Remington. But personally when I see a Chinese peice of steel at $150, And the Canadian equivilant is $360, it makes me wonder are you really getting that much better quality for your money?

Don't get me wrong, I try to buy Canadian products when ever I can. I wish that Canadian products would be conpairable price wise to atleast American components. It sucks when to support my local gun shop I have to pay twice as much as if In the same position in the states.
 
Can-down said:
Made in America barrels can be had for less then $150 in the US.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/94620-1.html

$150 for a Chinese barrel seems expensive to me specially when it's not exactly to rem specs.

Why a 14" Made in Canada Barrel has to cost us over $400 is an interesting question.

Does it cost that much to make or is the price more reflective of American export laws not allowing Made in the US barrels to "Free Trade" into Canada.
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You just made my jaw drop, I can't comprehend how people can miss economies of scale. The 18" barrel you just showed us is made by Remington, they have made millions of 870 barrels.

Have you ever been to Josef Dlask's shop? He's a small operation in an industrial strip mall in BC. A lot of us have shops of comparable size in our back yards.

If you guys really expect our small manufacturers to compete with a company turning out nearly half a billion $ of product annually, retailed by places like 'Cheaper than Dirt', we've already lost the battle. They can't, "Why it costs more" here isn't an interesting question, it's a statement answered with common sense. As well, the more our domestic manufacturers sell, the better the prices become.

There's also the very real problem that barrels under 18" aren't exportable from the states. Find me an add for 12.5" US made 870 barrels stateside- it'll be the same price Dlask and NEA charge. Economies of scale. You selected one of the most produced standard lengths, and likely the most purchased accessory barrel for the 870 in the states the 18", from a company pushing $400 million in annual sales as an example of pricing Dlask should meet? Really?

It gets really frustrating reading this stuff. People no longer think, and no longer care where their products come from or who make it. It's now just an "I want it" world, it's not sad, it's embarrassing. Of all the crowds, you would figure gunnutz would en masse attempt to give their money to the makers supporting our sport and hobby here at home- NOT to a communist country that doesn't even let its own citizens own the guns! Blows my mind.
 
My point was North Americans can compete against the Chinese.
My other point is Dlask wouldn't be making these boutique barrels if the Americans didn't have stupid export laws that have driven up the cost of certain barrel lengths.

Sorry about your jaw.
 
Can-down said:
My point was North Americans can compete against the Chinese.
My other point is Dlask wouldn't be making these boutique barrels if the Americans didn't have stupid export laws that have driven up the cost of certain barrel lengths.

Sorry about your jaw.
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You're right, I'll pitch in a hundred grand to a startup on the scale of Remington Arms' shotgun barrel manufacturing line. I'll need you to spot me the other $49,900,000- if it's all good, and we'll make $100 barrels all day long at 5,000 a day. :cheers:
 
Ardent,
I applaud your buy Canada principles but it's a bit naive to think that in this world the masses will follow your example.
The "cheap" mentality and consumerism is rampant and now some in our society (likely not you) can't afford to shop other then "Wallmart"
It's the same with our food.....good food costs more then crap today while 60 years ago all there was available was good food and it didn't cost a fortune thought there was less product and it was more seasonal.
I have a bigger issue with quality of goods then where they are made.

I don't like crap even if it is made in Canada.

We are free to make consumer choices in Canada and I can only hope that there will be a shift towards quality but I can't see it happening without some sort of "crap tax" and it seems our system is hooked on consumption and anything short of growth is considered a recession/depression.
 
Ardent said:
You're right, I'll pitch in a hundred grand to a startup on the scale of Remington Arms' shotgun barrel manufacturing line. I'll need you to spot me the other $49,900,000- if it's all good, and we'll make $100 barrels all day long at 5,000 a day. :cheers:
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Why re-invent the wheel?

It might be cheaper to convince our cousins to consider Free Trade.

Even our stupid barrel laws get in the way of common sense.

All these mass produced American barrels could be chopped down and sold for peanuts if a cylinder bore or threaded for choke barrel is acceptable.

A 14 inch modified barrel I can see being more due to the numbers produced and sold but a cylinder bore would be easy to produce using the cheaper mass produced units.
 
Can-down said:
It should fit but you will need to remove some material on your forearm to allow for the thicker profile.

Another thing I didn't like with the NEA was the parkerized chamber. Maybe it's a non issue but I'd rather have a polished chamber.
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Well I just ordered one last night so we will she hows she fits one of my Wingmasters. Hopefully all works good!
 
Can-down said:
Ardent,
I applaud your buy Canada principles but it's a bit naive to think that in this world the masses will follow your example.
The "cheap" mentality and consumerism is rampant and now some in our society (likely not you) can't afford to shop other then "Wallmart"
It's the same with our food.....good food costs more then crap today while 60 years ago all there was available was good food and it didn't cost a fortune thought there was less product and it was more seasonal.
I have a bigger issue with quality of goods then where they are made.

I don't like crap even if it is made in Canada.

We are free to make consumer choices in Canada and I can only hope that there will be a shift towards quality but I can't see it happening without some sort of "crap tax" and it seems our system is hooked on consumption and anything short of growth is considered a recession/depression.
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I agree with most of what you've said here, it's up to us now to make the decisions on where we send our money. Buying smart beats voting smart in the world today. Dlask barrels aren't, and have never been crap, I've owned several and they've been nothing but fantastic. Unfortunately they seem a thing of the past now courtesy of China.

I wish more people came from farming, or other local industry. That's a big part of the difference from now and say 60 years ago, and having that background and understanding makes an enormous difference.
 
The crap I'm talking about is the majority of all products (not just guns)I see in the market today! Cheap is ruling the world! I'm sure Dlask makes a nice barrel... I've never handled one. The only thing that seemed a bit odd to me was their choice of a heavy profile for the barrel. Maybe it's a "Tactical" thing?
The extra weight for carry and the need to modify stock parts is a negative to my use.
 
Ardent said:
I agree with most of what you've said here, it's up to us now to make the decisions on where we send our money. Buying smart beats voting smart in the world today. Dlask barrels aren't, and have never been crap, I've owned several and they've been nothing but fantastic. Unfortunately they seem a thing of the past now courtesy of China.

I wish more people came from farming, or other local industry. That's a big part of the difference from now and say 60 years ago, and having that background and understanding makes an enormous difference.
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I just got an email back from Dlask, he still in the barrel game. End of may we should see more shorties.
 
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