Just got off the phone with the cfc trying to change the barrel length on my 870 to reflect the new DA barrel.The woman on the phone was trying to tell me it's restricted.I quoted her the FRT # from the sticky above but the one listed is for an 870 express and mines a 870 express magnum.Apparently they don't have one for an express magnum according to her.She took all the info and said it will have to be "looked at".GRRR! All I was looking for was to get a new cert showing unrestricted with the short bbl before the registry goes bye bye. Alot easier to convince a police officer that it's not a sawed off shotgun when your in possesion of a registration slip saying non restricted.Just trying to plan ahead for post registry interactions with police who are unsure of the law.Apparently police aren't the only ones who don't know the rules,the CFC isn't sure either.
870 w/dominion arms 12.5" bbl
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Keep the receipt or invoice for the barrel, it should be stamped 12.5" on the side of the barrel? Thats how you prove its aftermarket and not chopped. Lots of guys keep print outs of the RCMP clarification for issues like these (LAR mags, 13 rds. 9mm in .40 mags etc) so that they dont have to take a ride to the station and wait for the officer to get up to speed on his job.
They maybe worth quite a bit when it comes to educating an officer on the side of the road and avoiding confiscation and fighting in court.I'm betting there will be lots of reports of charges laid by officers unaware of the status of a firearm because they have no registry to check.Saying "Look guys my registration slip says its nonrestricted" to an officer may avoid charges if your dealing with a reasonable cop.
modernworrior
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i just built a 12.5 rem express, should i call them and change the barrel length ? my buddy is saying they will have to come and inspect it/verify it and he says its restricted ? will they just send me a new certificate ? when i bought the reciever i thought they wouldn't put down barrel length because its not even a gun it was just a rem reciever. Or should i just ignore it and not go through the hassle ?
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If it's OAL is 26" or longer it's non-restricted. There will be no verification done. It's a 5 minute call so why not? It's still the law that you do FOR NOW
, plus you can end the call by wishing the operator "have a good life" as the chances are high they'll be working somewhere else shortly.
Buzzballer
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I got in to a bit of an argument with a sales clerk at Whole sale sports because he was convinced my 870 express with a DA 12.5" and an AR style collapseable stock *overall length is 27" with stock collapsed* was a restricted firearm. If I remember correctly it says on my non restricted paperwork, the barrel length less then 480mm * don't quote me on the exact measurement but it does say the size is less then a certain size.* when I get home I'll check.
If that's the case would I need to change the paperwork? Or would I be fine with my current set up?
If that's the case would I need to change the paperwork? Or would I be fine with my current set up?
...Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that when the type, action, calibre or gauge of the firearm is modified, the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar of the modification,
(a) if the modification is intended to be permanent, within 30 days after the modification; and
(b) if the modification is not intended to be permanent but still exists 30 days after it is made, without delay after that period...
<http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-201/page-2.html#h-7>
Keeping registration certs for roadside chats
I'm certainly going to be keeping and carrying the non-restricted certificate for my 24" Rossi Ranch Hand ... just to try to persuade a not-quite-up-to-speed LEO that the firearm is totally kosher and legal and non-restricted.
Not necessary, but real-world sensible ...
BTW, the certificate specifies that the barrel length is "less than 470mm" ...
(470 mm = 18.5 inches.)
I'm certainly going to be keeping and carrying the non-restricted certificate for my 24" Rossi Ranch Hand ... just to try to persuade a not-quite-up-to-speed LEO that the firearm is totally kosher and legal and non-restricted.
Not necessary, but real-world sensible ...
BTW, the certificate specifies that the barrel length is "less than 470mm" ...
(470 mm = 18.5 inches.)
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Buzzballer
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Thanks Wendal for going to the work of posting that.
So even though it only states changes to "Type, action , gauge or caliber" Need to be updated with the registrar. It sounds like it would be a good idea to find the frt number for a Remington 870 express with DA 12.5 barrel on it. And just have a new registration sent to me to be on the safe side. Better safe then argue with an officer and end up in cuffs.
Thanks for verifying the actual length mentioned on the registration boomer
So even though it only states changes to "Type, action , gauge or caliber" Need to be updated with the registrar. It sounds like it would be a good idea to find the frt number for a Remington 870 express with DA 12.5 barrel on it. And just have a new registration sent to me to be on the safe side. Better safe then argue with an officer and end up in cuffs.
Thanks for verifying the actual length mentioned on the registration boomer
So if I wanted to make one shotty modular, from 18.5 inch and swap the barrel to 14.5 inch, but use both for whatever reason, is there an FRT designation for that?
For hunting systems they say over 470mm, with both barrels, but what if one is shorter than the 470mm?
For hunting systems they say over 470mm, with both barrels, but what if one is shorter than the 470mm?
