8mm ammo for K98 availability
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Options are surplus ammo from shows, loading, using commercial ammo ($20-30 per box) or ordering from Lever Arms or Frontier Firearms as both have Yugo surplus 8mm. But then it is still about 40 cents per round.
Just like the 30-06 and 303 Brit there isn't much surplus left and they both use alot of powder and brass so they are not cheap to shoot. Even Jessie James on Sons of Guns converted his Browning Automatic to 308 just to make shooting more economical and he is a celebrity...
Just like the 30-06 and 303 Brit there isn't much surplus left and they both use alot of powder and brass so they are not cheap to shoot. Even Jessie James on Sons of Guns converted his Browning Automatic to 308 just to make shooting more economical and he is a celebrity...
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
I'm near Ottawa and have hundreds of surplus rounds for sale as low as 65 cents a round if you buy in bulk.
PM me for interest.
IT is available in large quantities but people hoard it and have been hoarding it for years lol I no longer have a rifle that shoots it.
Let me know.
PM me for interest.
IT is available in large quantities but people hoard it and have been hoarding it for years lol I no longer have a rifle that shoots it.
Let me know.
- Location
- Newmarket,Ontario
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When was a change from .318 to .323?
Shortly after 1900. Before ww1.
This is the stuff to buy - http://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/sellier-bellot-8x57js-fmj-ammunition--
Sellier & Bellot 8x57 JS Ammunition. 196gr FMJ. Boxer primed. Made in the Czech Republic. $24.50 per box of 20. Receive free shipping on a 400rd case.
It is pretty much the same stuff the Germans used during WW2.
Sellier & Bellot 8x57 JS Ammunition. 196gr FMJ. Boxer primed. Made in the Czech Republic. $24.50 per box of 20. Receive free shipping on a 400rd case.
It is pretty much the same stuff the Germans used during WW2.
gewehr76
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Reloading is the way to go for 8mm. Cases can be obtained through Tradeex or by cutting 30-06 cases to length of 8mm brass and resized to 323 diameter. This option is time consuming however. With modern bullets and components its much more reliable than surpluss that may have bad primers and can cause malfunction and corrosion.
North American 8x57 ammo is loaded with .323 170 grain bullets the exact same bullets loaded in the .32 special. However they are loaded down just in case some doughhead tries them in an old 8x57 J bore which is .318 diameter.
The 8x57 round appeared in 1888, loaded with smokeless powder and a 227-grain RNFMJ bullet of ,318" diameter. This was the Infanterie-Patrone M.88, generally called the 7.9x57J.
It was replaced in production in 1904 by the pointed-bullet, lightweight Ball round of increased bullet diameter. This was the 7.92x57JS, the JS signifying Infanterie-patrone mit Sptzgeschoss: Infantry Cartridge with Pointed Bullet.
The HEAVY Ball loading came out about 1916 as an anti-Tank measure and originally was issued to Machine Gun crews only. It was NOT to be used in rifles but, as in any Army, everyone had a friend in the Machine Gun section and so clips of rounds found their way into pockets because everybody wanted a few rounds of anti-Tank ammunition. This used the 196-grain bullet and was called the 7.92x57JsS: Infanterie-Patrone mit schwerer Spitzgeschoss: Infantry Cartridge with Heavy Pointed Bullet.
Whe Hitler began rearmament, the JsS round was adopted as standard. Once the war got going, however, the desirability for a better AP loading manifested itself right along with severe shortages of critical materials. The result was 2 new loadings, both with STEEL cores: the 7.92x57 SmE and SmK series. The SmE (Stahl mit Eisern or Steel jacket with Iron core) cartridges used a MILD-steel bullet core, the SmK (Stahl mit Kern or Steel jacket with HARD CORE) used a HARDENED STEEL core for Armour-piercing use. This is the ammunition manufactured in huge quantity in WW2 and well after the war also. It is also what became the standard Yugoslavian loading. Bullets in this case are 178 grains.
It is ALL becoming difficult to find. Much of the Turkish ammunition of a few years ago was the original 1904 loading. The stuff was magnificent when it was made but Time had rendered many of the old primers more than a bit dodgy. I loaded a few rounds into FRESH primed casings for a test and discovered that I had THREE First World War rifles which would shoot an honest 1 MOA or very close to it!
For FRESH, ACCURATE, CHEAP ammunition, do try the Harris Universal Load. It is a 180-grain CAST bullet (wheelweight metal works fine) ahead of 13 (THIRTEEN) grains of Red Dot shotgun powder. Many rifles will turn in 2MOA or better with this loading (or something VERY close to it) at 100 metres and beyond. Nice point is that you can crank this stuff out, complete with an expensive Gas Check, for about 11 cents a round. If you want CHEAP, you can load without the Gas Check and be running your rifle at a DOZEN rounds to the Loonie. That is paying 1964 prices..... in 2014 phony 'dollars'..... and getting an INCH or a bit over with your Toys. The $25 Lee mould will turn out a good bullet, their $30 size/lube/gas-check seater does an excellent job also and comes with enough lube for close to 1000 slugs. You GET adequate accuracy, enough RANGE to snipe Gophers out to 300 metres, minimal recoil..... and almost an INFINITE barrel life.
No reason to let the old Mauser hang on the wall.
Cuddle her, clean her, take her out and FEED her; you will BOTH have fun!
It was replaced in production in 1904 by the pointed-bullet, lightweight Ball round of increased bullet diameter. This was the 7.92x57JS, the JS signifying Infanterie-patrone mit Sptzgeschoss: Infantry Cartridge with Pointed Bullet.
The HEAVY Ball loading came out about 1916 as an anti-Tank measure and originally was issued to Machine Gun crews only. It was NOT to be used in rifles but, as in any Army, everyone had a friend in the Machine Gun section and so clips of rounds found their way into pockets because everybody wanted a few rounds of anti-Tank ammunition. This used the 196-grain bullet and was called the 7.92x57JsS: Infanterie-Patrone mit schwerer Spitzgeschoss: Infantry Cartridge with Heavy Pointed Bullet.
Whe Hitler began rearmament, the JsS round was adopted as standard. Once the war got going, however, the desirability for a better AP loading manifested itself right along with severe shortages of critical materials. The result was 2 new loadings, both with STEEL cores: the 7.92x57 SmE and SmK series. The SmE (Stahl mit Eisern or Steel jacket with Iron core) cartridges used a MILD-steel bullet core, the SmK (Stahl mit Kern or Steel jacket with HARD CORE) used a HARDENED STEEL core for Armour-piercing use. This is the ammunition manufactured in huge quantity in WW2 and well after the war also. It is also what became the standard Yugoslavian loading. Bullets in this case are 178 grains.
It is ALL becoming difficult to find. Much of the Turkish ammunition of a few years ago was the original 1904 loading. The stuff was magnificent when it was made but Time had rendered many of the old primers more than a bit dodgy. I loaded a few rounds into FRESH primed casings for a test and discovered that I had THREE First World War rifles which would shoot an honest 1 MOA or very close to it!
For FRESH, ACCURATE, CHEAP ammunition, do try the Harris Universal Load. It is a 180-grain CAST bullet (wheelweight metal works fine) ahead of 13 (THIRTEEN) grains of Red Dot shotgun powder. Many rifles will turn in 2MOA or better with this loading (or something VERY close to it) at 100 metres and beyond. Nice point is that you can crank this stuff out, complete with an expensive Gas Check, for about 11 cents a round. If you want CHEAP, you can load without the Gas Check and be running your rifle at a DOZEN rounds to the Loonie. That is paying 1964 prices..... in 2014 phony 'dollars'..... and getting an INCH or a bit over with your Toys. The $25 Lee mould will turn out a good bullet, their $30 size/lube/gas-check seater does an excellent job also and comes with enough lube for close to 1000 slugs. You GET adequate accuracy, enough RANGE to snipe Gophers out to 300 metres, minimal recoil..... and almost an INFINITE barrel life.
No reason to let the old Mauser hang on the wall.
Cuddle her, clean her, take her out and FEED her; you will BOTH have fun!
Commercial North American 8mm Mauser is not loaded down or for .318" barrels. It uses .323" bullets.
Seller and Bellot is not surplus ammo. Neither is Prvi. It's commercial FMJ.
Anyway, your K98 uses standard 8mm Mauser ammo. There is no surplus as the cartridge hasn't been used by any major military for eons. Your local gun shop can order commercial hunting ammo for you.
Seller and Bellot is not surplus ammo. Neither is Prvi. It's commercial FMJ.
Anyway, your K98 uses standard 8mm Mauser ammo. There is no surplus as the cartridge hasn't been used by any major military for eons. Your local gun shop can order commercial hunting ammo for you.
Coyote Ugly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Just a heads up for safety:
The WW2 German Steel Case Ammo can and will corrode and rust from the inside out, just like a rusty old sewer pipe, depending on how it was stored. It wasn't meant to last for 70+ years. Some are good, some are bad, and some you just don't know.
I'll take some pics of some I bought a few years back.
The WW2 German Steel Case Ammo can and will corrode and rust from the inside out, just like a rusty old sewer pipe, depending on how it was stored. It wasn't meant to last for 70+ years. Some are good, some are bad, and some you just don't know.
I'll take some pics of some I bought a few years back.
