8mm mauser northern rifle

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8 MM Mauser is on the way , I have been wondering if 200-220 gr. bullets will work well or if the case capacity is to small ? I want this for a northern rifle -Moose,Elk, bears if the S.H.T.F. will I still get decent velocity @ 300 yrds or will I have to ream out to 8mm/06 .
any thoughts on 8mm as it stands would help
any thoughts on the 8mm/06 would also be very helpful
(will be hand loading )
 
the military loading by norma was 196 - only 4 grains lighter, which is NOTHING-and yes it's at least as good as a 308 at that range, - there's NO real advantage to going to 06 unless you have access to a LOT of 06 brass- you use about 10 % more powder and a proportional GAIN in VELOCITY only- abouts to maybe 10 yards more in your pbr
plus, the 8mm /06 is a RELOADING ONLY proposition- no one manufactures ammo for it , whereas everyone does the 8x57
 
I found this comparison on the Chuck Hawks 8mm mauser page
http://www.chuckhawks.com/forgotten_8x57.htm
and it would suggest that for ballistic reasons out to 300 yards there is not much need to convert it to and '06 cartridge.
If you convert it you will still have a very nice cartridge, and you will have an advantage in the range of 100-150 fps over the standard cartridge, I do not think this is worth the cost of wildcat dies, and not being able to buy factory ammo for it. Plus, the standard cartridge is enough, a 200 grain bullet at 2600 feet per second, is in the range of 4/5 as much as a 338 win mag, which shoots a 250 grain bullet just a little faster than that. I would go shoot a moose with a quality bullet out of the standard cartridge before I improved it. Just my 2 cents..

# 30-30, 170 grain - 2200 fps / 1827 ft. lbs. (standard American loadings)
# 8MM Mauser, 170 grain - 2360 fps / 2102 ft. lbs. (standard American loadings)
# .308 Win., 150 grain - 2820 fps / 2648 ft. lbs. (standard American loadings)
# 8MM Mauser, 150 grain - 2880 fps / 2762 ft. lbs. (Stars & Stripes)
# .308 Win., 180 grain - 2620 fps / 2743 ft. lbs. (standard American loadings)
# 8MM Mauser, 196 grain - 2592 fps / 2924 ft. lbs. (Sellier & Bellot)
# .30-06, 180 grain - 2700 fps / 2915 ft. lbs. (Federal Premium, Barnes-X)
# 8MM Mauser, 180 grain - 2728 fps / 2974 ft. lbs. (Stars & Stripes, Barnes-X)
 
broadhead67 said:
thx guys it realy dosn't seem to be worth it for such a small gain.
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Not at all, like the other fellows said, it will keep up to (or better) the .308 Win and .30-06 Sprfld any day of the week.

The 196 gr. load is more than adequate for any; moose, elk, or bear hunting at reasonable ranges (and provided you aim well.)

The Yugo M48 rifles make a nice poor man's safari rifle because the sights are calibrated for the 196 gr. bullet (although I am not sure of the velocity.) Plus, you can leave the rifle open sighted and load it with 5 round stripper clips.

If you want a scoped rifle, Remington made a Model 700 BDL Classic in 7.92x57mm (8mm Mauser) and I know a guy who might still have a nearly mint one for sale.
 
i remember the norma stuff was loaded to my opinion, awful frekin HOT, somewhere around 2500 or better fps- of course, the box would read so many GRAM bullet and 800 meters/second- i had the ORIGINAL stock on mine and the original sights, which was skinny as all get out laminate, and kicked like a mule
 
I have a Remington 700 Classic in 8x57, and it is a great rifle (not for sale, LOL) I load the 175 and 180 grain bullets to 2800 fps, and the 196 to 200 grain bullets to 2650. This is an effective chambering that gives up little or nothing to the 30-06. I have shot a couple of moose and 3 bear with mine. All were dead inside of 20 yards. Regards, Eagleye.
 
Silly question :redface: : does SAAMI list such low pressure-limits for the 8mm Mauser (35,000 PSI vs. the 62,000 of the .308) solely b/c of the older models that are out there?.........:confused:
 
that's to compensate for the OLD ( pre-1918) .318 -model 88 commision rifles- some of those old fellows were re-bored for 323 but still have the old style actions- they can't take the pressure the 98s can
 
cyclone said:
Silly question :redface: : does SAAMI list such low pressure-limits for the 8mm Mauser (35,000 PSI vs. the 62,000 of the .308) solely b/c of the older models that are out there?.........:confused:
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I believe it is because of the possibility of someone trying to shoot the .323 IS round out of an older rifle with a .318 I bore.

Edit: T-Star beat me to it.
 
Thanks, both :cool: - so what's the real upper pressure limit for a Model 98 Mauser?......:evil:

Mount Sweetness said:
Why is 8x57 so much less popular than 6.5x55 and 7x57?

Always wondered...everyone raves about the 6.5mm and 7mm but not so much about the 8mm...?
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IMHO, it's b/c the 6.5x55 and 7x57 rounds became far-more accepted hunting rounds than the 8x57mm, which is regarded as "just" a milsurp round....:yingyang:

To look at it another way, the 6.5x52 Carc round ain't half as popular as the 6.6x55 Swede, either.....:wave:
 
x2 eagleye. I've seen some pretty hefty and reliable magnums, like the 338WM and 7mmRM, built on them. As mentioned above, they need to be checked closely. IMHO, the very least that should be done, is to magnaflux the action. This is easily done with some iron filings and a horseshoe magnet. If there are any cracks, they quickly appear.
The 8x57, isn't as popular in North America as it is in the rest of the world, I can't speak for Australia but Africa and Europe, abound with 8x57 chambered rifles. Another thing about the Europe and Africa, they expect you to know the difference between the "J or I" bore and the "JS" bore. The JS ammunition, is commonly loaded to its top potential there. In North America, all the 8x57 commercial loads are held back, in deference to the .318 bores and weaker 88/93/95, etc actions, the round is chambered in. Most but not all milsurps, were converted to the .323 diameter, JS bore.
 
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