9.3*62 vs 375 H&H

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i know factory loaded norma 375 H&H at 300 gr averages 2500 fps give or take with about 41-4300 energy foot pounds at the muzzel.

and the 9,3*62 at 23-2400 FPS with about 3500 energy foot pounds at the muzzel.

so my question is can someone tell me how bad barrel burn on either caliber is and how close is the 9,3*62 to the 375H&H on large animals is it effective
for Africa/ and bear?

thanks in advanced for any advise:D and yes i know barrel burning calibers take a while to burn out but the fact is it does not take long for acuracey to slowley be reduced and i don't dig that not a fan of overborne magnums
 
The barrel erosion will be about the same with either.

375 &H is minimum cartridge for dangerous game in many African countries.

Apparently they both kill about the same. I've never used a 9.3, but it's pretty cool.:)
 
i kinda guessed 375H&H is the basic and it can go up from there if you want to, but for my aplication it will mostly be used here as a bear gun but when i do take it to africa i do't plan to be hunting buffalo etc but kudu and deer sized game, but would like to know in the case of a charging lion or buffalo it stands a chance
 
Well I would say for what your asking, any of the various .338's will probably serve you better. I too plan on a trip to Africa one of these centuries, and I also don't have dangerous game on my agenda. Rather, plains game is my interest. I also understand that I will be trusting a PH for getting me on game, and putting faith in their ability to stop a critter if need be. I belive that a .338 has enough poop to do the deed, but will be easier to shoot, as well as giving you a bit flatter shot in comparison to the other two cartridges you have listed. Of course there is just somthing cool about the H&H and using it just sounds natural. But if you want more versatility, I would recommend a .338 Magnum.
 
The 375 H&H will out-perform the 9.3X62 by about 200 fps in similar bullet weights. Whether of not that is significant on the the big stuff, I don't know. But some authors figure the 375 kills a bit better on some African game(Cape Buffalo)

Apparently the 9.3 is legal in most African countries where dangerous game is hunted.

I like my 9.3 because I can get similar performance to the H&H but in a lighter rifles for similar recoil and I can get five plus one round into the rifle. I find this reassuring in some locations.

This same conversation recently took place on the Accurate Reloading forum. Makes for a good read.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/438101148
 
pharaoh2 said:
I belive that a .338 has enough poop to do the deed, but will be easier to shoot, as well as giving you a bit flatter shot in comparison to the other two cartridges you have listed. Of course there is just somthing cool about the H&H and using it just sounds natural. But if you want more versatility, I would recommend a .338 Magnum.
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I've never shot a .338, but from what I hear the 9.3 should bite even less than the 338. I know my husky 9.3 with a limbsaver on it is not bad at all (though I haven't shot a lot of top end loads yet). So far, I'd say, my 9.3 seems to kick less than my T3 7mm mag. Might be harder in total, but its slow and pushy where the 7 is sharp and whippy. Though that ones got the factory pad on it, and the weight difference will play a big role.
 
pharaoh2 said:
Well I would say for what your asking, any of the various .338's will probably serve you better. I too plan on a trip to Africa one of these centuries, and I also don't have dangerous game on my agenda. Rather, plains game is my interest. I also understand that I will be trusting a PH for getting me on game, and putting faith in their ability to stop a critter if need be. I belive that a .338 has enough poop to do the deed, but will be easier to shoot, as well as giving you a bit flatter shot in comparison to the other two cartridges you have listed. Of course there is just somthing cool about the H&H and using it just sounds natural. But if you want more versatility, I would recommend a .338 Magnum.
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X2! .338 is just a more popular, easily accessible round in North America in a wider assortment of affordable rifles and bullets. It is one of the most common calibers used in Alaska for big game. You know it's boring like the 30-06 is in the rest of North America.:D
 
Ive owned a 375, 338 and currently have a few 9.3's . The H&H is a bit faster with the same weight bullet 100-200 fps if your stoking up your x62 that shrinks a bit as its not hard to safely reach the 2500fps level with a 286 gr pill or 2700 with a 250 if you want to run it that hard. The benefit I have found with the x62 over the H&H is its found in lighter handier rifles with the same bolt throw as a 30-06. It doesn't recoil as hard and the report isn't as sharp as the .338, It throws bigger pills than the 338 , brass lasts longer than the belted rounds, its easy on powder and quite efficient and any good 98 with a standard bolt face/mag will work for the conversion. They are all excellent cartridges to me its more the rifles they are offered in and the swat versus recoil that makes this cartridge so attractive at regular hunting ranges.
 
While I believe that both the .375 H&H and the 9.3X62 have very good barrel life, given similar shooting habits the 9.3 should outlive the .375 due to the difference in powder charges. With the same bullet weight the 9.3 uses about 25% less powder.

While the .375 should have an edge due to a better selection of bullets, I doubt if you could say that the .375 outperformed the 9.3 when loaded with bullets of the same weight and style.
 
Mauser98 said:
The 375 H&H will out-perform the 9.3X62 by about 200 fps in similar bullet weights. Whether of not that is significant on the the big stuff, I don't know. But some authors figure the 375 kills a bit better on some African game(Cape Buffalo)

Apparently the 9.3 is legal in most African countries where dangerous game is hunted.

I like my 9.3 because I can get similar performance to the H&H but in a lighter rifles for similar recoil and I can get five plus one round into the rifle. I find this reassuring in some locations.
This same conversation recently took place on the Accurate Reloading forum. Makes for a good read.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/438101148
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My CZ .375 holds 6 down and one in the pipe. There is an undeniable appeal to having a seven shooter when hunting critters that:

1) Occasionally step on hunters.
2) Live in herds.
 
pharaoh2 said:
Well I would say for what your asking, any of the various .338's will probably serve you better. I too plan on a trip to Africa one of these centuries, and I also don't have dangerous game on my agenda. Rather, plains game is my interest. I also understand that I will be trusting a PH for getting me on game, and putting faith in their ability to stop a critter if need be. I belive that a .338 has enough poop to do the deed, but will be easier to shoot, as well as giving you a bit flatter shot in comparison to the other two cartridges you have listed. Of course there is just somthing cool about the H&H and using it just sounds natural. But if you want more versatility, I would recommend a .338 Magnum.
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My experience is that the the difference in recoil between a .338 winmag and a 9.3x62 is going to be mostly about the stock and recoil pad configuration than it is about the cartridge.

I agree that as an all rounder the .338 would be more practical for plains game if you had to stick to one rifle and had no concerns about more dangerous game, which is mostly how it is in modern Africa or so I'm told. In the event that dangerous game would be a consideraation I would rather carry the 9.3 or a .375 myself.
 
I hope I don't hijack this thread, but what about a 9.3x64? I know it's even less common than the 9.3x62, but the 286 gr bullet moves approx. 200-250 fps faster than the 9.3x62. Velocities are slightly lower than the .375 h&h. This is the question I'm facing.... 9.3X64 or .375 h&h?
 
geologist said:
My 602 will hold 6 .375 H&H in the magazine and the magazine floorplate is machined.
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Geologist,
My floorplate on my .375 didn't need to be modified to get 6 down, but I do have a Wisner floorplate on my .416 Rigby. That gets the capacity up to 4 down and one in the spout. Is this the work you have done on yours? These rifles are often right on the edge of taking or not taking the last cartridge, and a little tweaking gets it in. I really feel sorry for Ruger RSM and Weatherby owners that only get 2 down. What were the manufacturers thinking? It would be rather easy to shoot a 3 shot DGR dry.
 
Dogleg said:
Geologist,
My floorplate on my .375 didn't need to be modified to get 6 down, but I do have a Wisner floorplate on my .416 Rigby. That gets the capacity up to 4 down and one in the spout. Is this the work you have done on yours? These rifles are often right on the edge of taking or not taking the last cartridge, and a little tweaking gets it in. I really feel sorry for Ruger RSM and Weatherby owners that only get 2 down. What were the manufacturers thinking? It would be rather easy to shoot a 3 shot DGR dry.
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That is, of course, a very fair point -- and one I should have considered in my Ruger vs CZ comments. I'm not sure where the line should be drawn, but I do agree that a three round capacity is a bit light in a DGR. That said, that capacity limitation in the Ruger applies to the .416 and .458 only. The .375 holds four -- but that's still 2 (or even 3) shy of a full CZ.

I guess it all comes down to how a guy is going to be hunting. In this modern age, the simple truth is that one is always going to be accompanied by a PH who (despite what the hunter may be thinking) is really the go-to guy if something turns sour.

From where I'm sitting, I think I can live with a 4-round .375 and a fully-loaded PH shooting a .375 or something even heavier. If both rifles run dry before I get trampled, I think I'll just have to accept that my number was up :p
 
Dogleg said:
Geologist,
My floorplate on my .375 didn't need to be modified to get 6 down, but I do have a Wisner floorplate on my .416 Rigby. That gets the capacity up to 4 down and one in the spout. Is this the work you have done on yours? These rifles are often right on the edge of taking or not taking the last cartridge, and a little tweaking gets it in. I really feel sorry for Ruger RSM and Weatherby owners that only get 2 down. What were the manufacturers thinking? It would be rather easy to shoot a 3 shot DGR dry.
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Sorry, my floorplate is stock. By "machined" I meant that the original floor plates on my 602 and 600 are both millled from stock, not cast or even worse, plastic.
 
Neo,
I think it was Richard Harland that calculated across all his culling years and came up with slightly over 3 holes in each buffalo he had shot. I have no reason to think that the average PH is god's gift to riflery, considering that many of them work for $100 a day plus tips. The math doesn't work out.
Zimbabwe has the highest PH qualifications of any African country, including the shooting proficency test. One of my PHs last year had a grand total of 80 rounds through his heavy rifle in the entire time he had owned it, and it was the only one he had ever had. He explained the "high" round count as being because he had practiced so much for his exam. You've probably done that in a weekend, or maybe in a day. I wouldn't make any assumptions about a PH saving your bacon, you could just as easily be his back-up. Honest.:D
Did you ever hear the old African saying "Don't shoot in front of the clients"?;)
 
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