Happy New Year everyone. Got this one this evening. 1944 Izhevsk Mosin sniper. Looks pretty close to original to me. Scope matches the # on rifle....the font and style looks original(I have 2 others with scrubbed numbers and restamped, font is different). Looks like scope made in 1944.
All serial numbers are original, font matches everywhere. No scrubbing everywhere, and as like I said the font is 100% matching. No electropencil anywhere. Every part of the rifle whether it is big, little or small is stamped with arrow in triangle. Stock has PRESSED in escutcheons, however has a coat of shellac over original finish. Rollmarks on stock are intact. Stock is shimmed at trigger assembly. No refurb markings on steel or wood. My opinion that this one has seen a refurbishment just by applying a coat of shellac over it, including metalWhat do you think?
Dude! You have a very nice piece there so Merry Christmas to you ! When it's all said and done, all that counts is that you enjoy your purchase so I say piss on the lot that tell you your rifle is not perfect and Enjoy it! It only matters what you think. Seems like the Interweb has made everyone an expert on everything ! LOL !
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91/30 Mosin Sniper
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Well said wojnar! You have succinctly summarized everything I've read and heard about this topic! Great job !!
I was also speaking to a fellow CGNer and he advised he has contacted a fellow in the Chech republic who has confirmed that you can order the Mosin sniper scope stamped with whatever serial number you wish, and for an extra $6USD they will age to to make it look NOS! Me? I would probably pay the $6USD just so it matches the rest of my rifle so I better get around to buying one before the prices start going up again !
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We are talking about different line of production here. The rifle in question was exported as hunting carbine in and priced accordingly. Not as repro sniper. And is not marketed as sniper. This is a late war sniper, with serial numbering falling into line of production, somewhat refurbished, equipped with authentic scope and sold as a hunting carbine. Some of these were converted to standard infantry rifles, retaining their original scope numbers, some of them were just refurbished and placed in storage.
The story is that sniper rifles were selected for their accuracy. Fakers are trying to make money. The most difficult (time consuming) and expensive part of a fake would be finding a rifle that shot like a sniper. Unmarked parts are easily available in Canada/US and probably more so in Eastern Europe.
It looks like a sniper rifle. If it shoots like a sniper rifle then it is one. Not sure, less than 2" @100? If it shoots 8 inches it is still a nice rifle but....
I would like to buy one for myself but I don't want to pay top dollar only to find out its a shovel with a scope.
It looks like a sniper rifle. If it shoots like a sniper rifle then it is one. Not sure, less than 2" @100? If it shoots 8 inches it is still a nice rifle but....
I would like to buy one for myself but I don't want to pay top dollar only to find out its a shovel with a scope.
The 91/30 PU rifle was expected to shoot 10 shots into 3.5 cm (1.38") at 100m, 7.5 cm (2.96") at 200m, 18 cm (7.09") at 400m, and 35 cm (13.79") at 600m.
If you can get your hands on one you will be able to tell pretty easily if its fake or real. The machining on the bolt is nicer and the tolerenceses( on mine) were very tight, the bolt is almost to tight to fit in my other mosins. The machining on the barrel shank also is cleaner then normal, not perfect but they clean those. And we'll there's also the scope and the cut in the wood to fit the mount, it should look the same as the rest of the shellac. There's quite a few more little things but if you need to know that do some research or you can pm me.
Some new points to add to the check list. The main problem is you want to examine the firearm closely which rules out the internet. "Snipers", real or otherwise, don't show up in the local gun stores very often. Occasionally there is one at local gun show but as others have commented, prices are seriously inflated.
This one was sold as KO-91/30 hunting carbine and priced as such. They had four KO's in the store and I examined all of them. Other 3 are typical part mixmasters with scrubbed and renumbered parts, crossed out and renumbered scope numbers on the left side of barrel shank. This one was as it is and all of them are priced the same.
The russian source indicated that Molot had acquired a batch of actual sniper Mosins from long term storage and sold them as hunting rifles(the only way you can legally sell a military firearm in Russia to a civilian). They went like hot cakes there. IMHO, the lot sold here in Canada and US is from the same batch.
When I get back home I will call the plant and simply ask them if this is a case.
The russian source indicated that Molot had acquired a batch of actual sniper Mosins from long term storage and sold them as hunting rifles(the only way you can legally sell a military firearm in Russia to a civilian). They went like hot cakes there. IMHO, the lot sold here in Canada and US is from the same batch.
When I get back home I will call the plant and simply ask them if this is a case.
Finally have an info on these. These rifles are authentic Mosin Sniper rifles. Some refurbed some not, this is the way they were received from Ministry of Defence warehouse. Molot had nothing to do with refurbishment except export/civilian marking. Molot did/does fulfil some custom orders for KO-91/30 sold on internal market. Source has indicated that there are no more sniper Mosins
coming from the warehouse.
coming from the warehouse.
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