9mm defence loads?

Two FMJ's to center mass and 99% of attackers will stop the attack, if that doesnt stop 'em, it will slow it 'em down enough to line up sights for a head shot. No point mincing words on the subject, your decision to use lethal force will be where they go, not the type of ammo you used. You can make arguements either way. "I used FMJ because i didn't want to kill, but mearly stop the attack" "I used handloads because i loaded them lighter to avoid massive trauma and avoid a kill" "I used JHP because I wanted to ensure a speedy conclusion with minimal risk to the family" they will spin it the other way IF it came up.
 
In the hypothetical situation where one has to shoot to defend his or his loved ones' lives, I am with those who say to use any ammo which will work best for the job.

I believe Speer 9mm Gold Dots will do the job nicely, factory or lovingly reloaded.

But if one wants to get serious about his defensive caliber, there is no choice but .45ACP hardball. No gimmicks needed for it to work right, when you need it to work right. Any pistol, 1911 or not, will feed it reliably.
 
Didn't think this thread would take off like this, was just looking for defence loads.

Firstly, I'm not afraid of the legal consequences if I were ever in a situation I had to use my pistols for self defence it would be a do or die scenario.

Second, I am looking for HP's because they do not over penetrate.
 
Shep546 said:
Didn't think this thread would take off like this, was just looking for defence loads.
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ATRS in Calgary had Speer Gold Dot in .45ACP a few months ago when I was looking for it. They may have 9mm as well. Budget Shooter Supply (Henry Nierychlo) can get most brands/types of ammo and is a great guy to deal with.


Mark
 
I recommend them.

moosedude said:
Any gun store has them or my buddy says this place is good but not sure about shipping to canada http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/
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They're great to deal with if you need ammunition in the USA. They don't ship to Canada.

If you're going to be in Texas, visit their gunshop, Independence Firearms, 6360 Fm 50, Brenham Texas 77833. <http://www.independencefirearms.com/>
 
bollox said:
You are wrong on two accounts.

First, Ayoob's claim to fame is not his shooting skill but for his legal testimony in court cases involving firearms.

Second, yes there are cases of handloads being brought up detrimentally in court. A particular one being a suicidal woman whom the husband was convicted of murder, based on GSR. It was determined that due to lack of GSR on her, the husband shot the woman at a distance. The gun had very light target HANDLOADS in it.
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The case is New Jersey v. Daniel Bias. In the case of New Hamshire v. Sgt. James Kennedy, the prosecution made the argument that handloads demonstrated bad intent, but the defendant was acquitted in this case. Ayoob has stated that gunshot residue is a greater issue than the "extra deadly handload" argument.
 
moosedude said:
Two FMJ's to center mass and 99% of attackers will stop the attack, if that doesnt stop 'em, it will slow it 'em down enough to line up sights for a head shot. No point mincing words on the subject, your decision to use lethal force will be where they go, not the type of ammo you used. You can make arguements either way. "I used FMJ because i didn't want to kill, but mearly stop the attack" "I used handloads because i loaded them lighter to avoid massive trauma and avoid a kill" "I used JHP because I wanted to ensure a speedy conclusion with minimal risk to the family" they will spin it the other way IF it came up.
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You base this on what - your own opinion and speculation??? Historical data would suggest otherwise...

I'm not saying 9mm is not good enough but I do adhere to the tenet that "if you can't shoot them good, shoot them lots" and am a firm believer in shooting a threat to the ground.

Ammo's cheap, life's expensive. Decide which one you want to spend...
 
Well, I don't know if I can recommend using self-defense rounds given the legal climate in Canada (hopefully that will change with a Conservative government).

But, if you *ARE* going to get some self defense ammo, shouldn't you regularly practice with it / shoot with it? How do you know that your gun will shoot it reliably if you don't put a decent amount of rounds of it through your gun? And shouldn't you practice with the round you will be using for self-defense?

Seems to me a single box of the stuff wouldn't be enough.
 
Lower cost training ammo is fine, but you do need to run enough of the quality JHP ammo through your gun to confirm reliable functioning; at least a couple hundred rounds, preferably more, without malfunction. In total, your pistol needs to be able to fire at least 500, and preferably 1,000, rounds without malfunction to be suitable for defensive use.
 
My apologies to the OP:

The OP may be happy and convinced of the 9mm's effectiveness as a defensive pistol/cartridge, the fact that there are caveats (you have to prove HP ammo feeds reliably over so many hundreds of rounds etc) and challenges (finding a source of affordable "legal" ammo), and the limited practice as a result of the latter, should make one think of another better pistol/cartridge combo. If you want to not have these concerns at all.....just buy a good 1911 (or Glock or WHY) in .45acp.

A quality 1911, even the lowly Norinco, will feed, shoot and eject hardball (roundnose) reliably...well, prove the gun/ammo if you must. My Norkies and even my Colts never had gun related problems with this ammo. Assuming of course the gun is in reasonably good mechanical condition, not too dirty (not more than 400 rounds between cleanings) and somewhat lubed.

FWIW, I got super reliable 9mms (P89 and G17RTF) that have never, ever failed to feed, fire and eject with my own reloaded lead and jhps (well twice the primers did not fire...deep indentation, tried re-firing to no avail, not the pistol's problem).

But my go-to, SHTF pistol are any one of my .45 Norkies. No questions, no doubts, remain in my head. 7 rounds of 230 grain home cast lead round nose at 800 FPS worth of peace of mind. I practice at least once a month with them.

No problem sourcing ammo for practice, pistol proving or serious business.
 
Verdical Driver said:
The "stopping power" of the handgun is that most criminals won't want to get shot, even with a "low power" 9mm round. Most criminals are lazy... when confronted by someone with the means to defend themselves, they will leave to find easier picking. According to the NRA, most armed self defense situations end without a shot being fired.

The real problem, here in Canada, is that the criminal will probably call the police, and you will be the one charged.
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HAHAHA. It is funny because it is true!
 
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