9mm defence loads?

[TDC]

No I own my own home in an area that is heavily developed. Heritage style home in Surrey, BC. If any round will pass through walls and exterior finishes then that answers my initial question, thank you

Unfortunately, like the majority of home owners, you run the risk of sending rounds outside your home. A handgun inside a brick house would likely contain it, but a rifle round will exit. For the majority who don't live in a brick house, its an odds game.

TDC

 

[colt45gunner]

OMG...i give up

I 2nd that motion
and by the way, it may be legal to use your firearm in selfdefense, if occaission were to arise, but having a firearm for that purpose is illegal in Canada, and by the time you unlocked all the locks it's suppose to be kept behind, the whole family and your neighbors will be all doomed before you can touch it.
so move to a better neighborhood.
and if the bad guy is 50 yards away, don't worry about the accuracy of the ammo, lock your door and don't let him in...
oh, and get a shotgun, like someone mentioned..... no one will argure over buck shot or a slug compared to a 9mm HP.
and stop posting about it so much.. it's like you're advertising you can't wait for someone to look thru your window looking for a cup of sugar.... and you can say, oh that cup looked like a weapon to me....
Did you just get your firearms license ? Their stories of people shooting their kids sneaking back in house in middle of the night, so don't get trigger happy man !!

 

[TDC]

I 2nd that motion
and by the way, it may be legal to use your firearm in selfdefense, if occaission were to arise, but having a firearm for that purpose is illegal in Canada, and by the time you unlocked all the locks it's suppose to be kept behind, the whole family and your neighbors will be all doomed before you can touch it.
so move to a better neighborhood.
and if the bad guy is 50 yards away, don't worry about the accuracy of the ammo, lock your door and don't let him in...
oh, and get a shotgun, like someone mentioned..... no one will argure over buck shot or a slug compared to a 9mm HP.
and stop posting about it so much.. it's like you're advertising you can't wait for someone to look thru your window looking for a cup of sugar.... and you can say, oh that cup looked like a weapon to me....
Did you just get your firearms license ? Their stories of people shooting their kids sneaking back in house in middle of the night, so don't get trigger happy man !!

-No one will ever know if your firearms were locked prior to the incident.
-There are rapid access vaults for just such use
-Crime isn't limited to specific neighbourhoods
-HP ammo has no effect on your legal case
-Shooting your children is a direct result of not identifying your target, any form of threat, and a lack of training.

TDC

 

[Adam F85]

I 2nd that motion
and by the way, it may be legal to use your firearm in selfdefense, if occaission were to arise, but having a firearm for that purpose is illegal in Canada, and by the time you unlocked all the locks it's suppose to be kept behind, the whole family and your neighbors will be all doomed before you can touch it.
so move to a better neighborhood.
and if the bad guy is 50 yards away, don't worry about the accuracy of the ammo, lock your door and don't let him in...
oh, and get a shotgun, like someone mentioned..... no one will argure over buck shot or a slug compared to a 9mm HP.
and stop posting about it so much.. it's like you're advertising you can't wait for someone to look thru your window looking for a cup of sugar.... and you can say, oh that cup looked like a weapon to me....
Did you just get your firearms license ? Their stories of people shooting their kids sneaking back in house in middle of the night, so don't get trigger happy man !!

If this is directed to me, no I didnt just get my firearm licence. Dont be so naive these things happen all over. You can hide behind your door all you want.

 

[Canuck44]

colt45gunner: Just for the record has there been an incident where an armed intruder was shot by a home owner in Canada in the last one, two years, five , ok 10 years? How about an armed intruder being shot by a home owner who also inadvertently shot his neighbour while he defended his family?

If there has been more than a couple I will be amazed. I think I'll stick to improving my IDPA/IPSC skills and rely on those weak bunny fart loads to deal with any intruders right after I win the lottery. How about you?

Take Care

Bob

 

[TDC]

colt45gunner: Just for the record has there been an incident where an armed intruder was shot by a home owner in Canada in the last one, two years, five , ok 10 years? How about an armed intruder being shot by a home owner who also inadvertently shot his neighbour while he defended his family?

If there has been more than a couple I will be amazed. I think I'll stick to improving my IDPA/IPSC skills and rely on those weak bunny fart loads to deal with any intruders right after I win the lottery. How about you?

Take Care

Bob

Many cases of home invaders being beaten, stabbed, and shot. You just don't hear about them all. Two years ago there was guy who was being home invaded by two individuals here in Calgary(just outside actually) and he killed one and permanently screwed up the other. The guy in question was "known to police" and he was never charged. The events were considered self defense. I believe he stabbed the one guy to death. Home invasions happen and people die daily from violent crime. Hiding at the range doesn't change that.

TDC

 

[colt45gunner]

I'm all for defending yourself and family !!
just saying don't over post in details in open forum. big brother may be watching and
it's like you're admitting you only have the gun for selfdefense and not for sport, of which you checked the box for "sport" on your pal application...
discuss such in manner without sounding paranoid and giving away too much about yourself here...

 

[colt45gunner]

but then again, maybe you guys being from west have the luxury of your courts and judges being freindly hunters and shooters and not so worried about that, were here in ontario and t.o. area, they're so anti gun, you maybe jailed for just talking about it...

 

[Canuck44]

Many cases of home invaders being beaten, stabbed, and shot. You just don't hear about them all. Two years ago there was guy who was being home invaded by two individuals here in Calgary(just outside actually) and he killed one and permanently screwed up the other. The guy in question was "known to police" and he was never charged. The events were considered self defense. I believe he stabbed the one guy to death. Home invasions happen and people die daily from violent crime. Hiding at the range doesn't change that.

TDC

Well that is one two years ago. It sounds like a drug related "home invasion" if the victim was known to police as you suggest. I stood on a jury with an attempted murder case back in the 80's that dealt with a home invasion where drugs were involved. A shotgun was used to blow a guys arm off. Any more?

The reason I posed the question is not to suggest one shouldn't be prepared but rather to suggest the incidents where armed citizens outside the drug crowd repelling home invaders with firearms is quite rare, in Canada. Even the home invasions that have risen of late are quite rare. To hear some of the comments you would think being armed to the teeth is the only way we are able to sleep at night.

Take Care

Bob

 

[plinker 777]

paranoiaaa will destroyaaaa. sleep tight

 

[TDC]

I'm all for defending yourself and family !!
just saying don't over post in details in open forum. big brother may be watching and
it's like you're admitting you only have the gun for selfdefense and not for sport, of which you checked the box for "sport" on your pal application...
discuss such in manner without sounding paranoid and giving away too much about yourself here...

Who said defending yourself and your property wasn't a sport?

In all seriousness, there's nothing wrong with speaking "hypothetically" about using your firearms for defense. As for friendlier courts out west, you're exactly right. I refuse to hide my beliefs as they are not a crime.

Well that is one two years ago. It sounds like a drug related "home invasion" if the victim was known to police as you suggest. I stood on a jury with an attempted murder case back in the 80's that dealt with a home invasion where drugs were involved. A shotgun was used to blow a guys arm off. Any more?

The reason I posed the question is not to suggest one shouldn't be prepared but rather to suggest the incidents where armed citizens outside the drug crowd repelling home invaders with firearms is quite rare, in Canada. Even the home invasions that have risen of late are quite rare. To hear some of the comments you would think being armed to the teeth is the only way we are able to sleep at night.

Take Care

Bob

Drug related or not, everyone has the right to defend themselves. I personally have no issue with gangbangers packing heat. I don't really care if they engage in gunfights daily, just so long as they don't hit others with errant rounds.

There are lots of cases of self defense, even cases of good samaritans laying a beat down on thiefs, rapists and the like. All without personal prosecution. Another story from this end of the country involved a pharmacy owner who openly told a thief who had robbed him on several occasions that he was going to shoot him the next time he robbed him. Not long after that the guy did, and the pharmacist shot him in the back with a shotgun in the street and killed him. Ruled as self defense.

Too many people follow/believe the media which clearly has its own agenda as the media is a for profit industry. Defend yourself or become a victim, its your choice.

TDC

 

[misanthropist]

The reason I posed the question is not to suggest one shouldn't be prepared but rather to suggest the incidents where armed citizens outside the drug crowd repelling home invaders with firearms is quite rare, in Canada. Even the home invasions that have risen of late are quite rare. To hear some of the comments you would think being armed to the teeth is the only way we are able to sleep at night.

Take Care

Bob

I think this sort of thing is worth considering regularly...I love guns as much as the next guy, and I believe in self defense as much as the next guy. But it's important to keep a bit of perspective. Prepping for a violent encounter best resolved by shooting somebody in the face is a lot less likely to prolong your life than just making sure you eat plenty of green vegetables and go for a jog a few times a week.

Immersing yourself in gun culture can lead to a pretty skewed perspective on just what kind of threat level you're facing.

 

[Canuck44]

I think this sort of thing is worth considering regularly...I love guns as much as the next guy, and I believe in self defense as much as the next guy. But it's important to keep a bit of perspective. Prepping for a violent encounter best resolved by shooting somebody in the face is a lot less likely to prolong your life than just making sure you eat plenty of green vegetables and go for a jog a few times a week.

Immersing yourself in gun culture can lead to a pretty skewed perspective on just what kind of threat level you're facing.

Cancer, stroke, heart attack, drunk drivers, hit by lightning, MS, MD just to name a few. Nice to have this far, just think what you young guys have yet to dodge. Bullets are the least of your worries.

Take Care

Bob

 

[misanthropist]

I definitely agree...although obviously I also think people should have the right to prepare for the possibility.

However I struggle to take seriously the people who have fixated on dealing with that one, specific, low-probability threat, while totally ignoring the very high-probability threats like diabetes, heart disease, and colorectal cancer.

It's good to be prepared to defend yourself and your loved ones, but don't get tunnel vision. It's not just a threat on the battlefield, it's a threat in your day-to-day life. Some people "search and assess" threats after every target they shoot. Not a bad idea. But there is no need to limit this approach to the range. To be REALLY tactically prepared would be to search and assess in your daily life, because there are a hell of a lot more threats in most people's refrigerator than most are prepared to accept.

Odds are you're going to die from things you're putting in your mouth, not in a hail of gunfire.

 

[easyrider604]

The probability of a violent home invasion is next to nil, in this country, IMO.

However, there are a lot of break-ins. Happened to me five years ago and I live in a decent neighborhood. On the good side, nothing was taken...yes, absolutely nothing. My daughter's purse and some other valuable stuff was left in the open and yet nothing was taken. I am thankful we were all asleep at the time, so the intruder came, looked around, didn't see anything he wanted and left.

Ten years ago, five minutes away, another nice part of town, the older couple living next door to a friend were found stabbed and beaten to death with a hammer.

Two break-ins that ended in both ends of the "violence" scale. I am grateful to be alive. My guns wouldn't have made any difference had my break-in turned violent. I was asleep and so were my guns.

 

[Verdical Driver]

Prepping for a violent encounter best resolved by shooting somebody in the face is a lot less likely to prolong your life than just making sure you eat plenty of green vegetables and go for a jog a few times a week.

Except that this is a website called "CanadianGunNutz", not "HowToProlongMyLife". People are not here to discuss fitness, nor healthy diet, people are here to discuss guns. The conversation is naturally going to be about guns prolonging our lives, because that is the pre-defined topic of conversation.

Discussing self defense with firearms doesn't represent some distorted version of personal safety... as this is a forums specifically for discussing those types of topics.

Self defense is a legit concern. Rational people make some sort of provisions for their own personal security. They need to discuss it somewhere. That place is here.

 

[Verdical Driver]

The probability of a violent home invasion is next to nil, in this country, IMO.

The probability of violent home invasions is next to nil, right now.

However, taking some very minor precautions in order to not be completely helpless is prudent. I have fire insurance and a couple all-purpose fire extinguishers, even though the chances of my house being destroyed by fire are extremely low. I have a modest first aid kit and some basic CPR training, even though I have no intention of trying to be a doctor. And likewise, my sporting firearms could be used for self defense in the extremely unlikely event of a home invasion. There is nothing wrong with discussing legal and ethical ways to use my sporting firearms more effectively for self defense.

 

[misanthropist]

Discussing self defense with firearms doesn't represent some distorted version of personal safety... as this is a forums specifically for discussing those types of topics.

Self defense is a legit concern. Rational people make some sort of provisions for their own personal security. They need to discuss it somewhere. That place is here.

The probability of violent home invasions is next to nil, right now.

However, taking some very minor precautions in order to not be completely helpless is prudent. I have fire insurance and a couple all-purpose fire extinguishers, even though the chances of my house being destroyed by fire are extremely low. I have a modest first aid kit and some basic CPR training, even though I have no intention of trying to be a doctor. And likewise, my sporting firearms could be used for self defense in the extremely unlikely event of a home invasion. There is nothing wrong with discussing legal and ethical ways to use my sporting firearms more effectively for self defense.

Nobody is saying otherwise.

 

[Canuck44]

Discussing self defense with firearms doesn't represent some distorted version of personal safety... as this is a forums specifically for discussing those types of topics.

While I agree with your comment I also read some of the posts here and frankly, a good number are way over the top. In fact I recall one poster who claimed he only owned firearms to kill people with and steadfastly stated that was a handguns sole purpose for existing. None of which is true of course.

Most here either shoot one of the shooting sports or plink at the range for fun. If you go through the threads most relate to the shooting sports be it, IDPA, IPSC, PPC, Cowboy Action or anyone of the various forms of 3 Gun or Multi-gun. If not those just shooting at various targets.

I think it is worthwhile comment to remind folks who get wound up on various self defense topics that use of a handgun to protect ones life in this country is extremely rare. Thankfully.

Take Care

Bob

 

[raks]

"Canadians report using firearms to protect themselves between 60,000 and 80,000 times per year from dangerous people or animals"

Journal of Criminal Justice, Vol 24, No 5, pp 393-406, Copyright (1996)

Armed self defense: the Canadian case*
by
Gary A. Mauser, Ph D

Just sayin'