9mm or 45ACP

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Looking to buy either(not both)-
Armalite AR - 24 9mm OR a Norinco 1911A1 45ACP - Police Model - Two Tone

What do you know about them? AR is more cash but cheaper to shoot.

Can someone tell me about the calibres from experience?

I do reload for rifle, but not for handgun, i am guessing that Carbide dies are the only way to go?

If you don't have one,or have had one in the past please do not comment on it as i am not asking for a p(ssing contest to start between anyone, or comments not based on fact.
 
fun factor!

If you get a charge out of a big bang the 45 comes out way ahead of the 9.
The cost of projectiles is higher for 45 by six cents sometimes more or less. This comes out to be only 60.00 per 1000. 45 brass is more expensive to start but can be loaded many more times than the 9. Don't forget both cal. brass can be picked up for free at the range sometimes.
In the end I think you'll end up owning both the 45 and the 9!
 
just get the one u like more. dont think of the guns as one is cheaper than the other .get which gun you want to shoot more, ammo is always going to cost you money. its the gun you will be shooting. dont get something just cuz its cheap.. if the norc is what you want get it . if you like AR;s get it.. imho id be going with the AR.
9mm is always cheaper to shoot. and i think norinco makes crappy products . but thats just me,
 
Don't you worry. I bet you will get both eventually.

Norinco is a good-enough gun and 45ACP is more fun to shoot. However, I say 9mm is better for a starter, because you don't have to reload right away.
 
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Ar-24

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CZ-75
 
From Internet:

The AR-24 is a semi-automatic pistol chambered for the 9 mm Luger Parabellum round. It is manufactured at the Sarsilmaz Silah Sanayi factory in Turkey under contract by the Armalite corporation.

The weapon is similar to the Tanfoglio variant of the Czech CZ-75, with design elements borrowed from the SIG P210, though few of its parts are interchangable with the Tanfoglio weapon from whose machining dies and blue prints it was derived. It has a hot forged steel frame mated to a heavy milled slide treated with Manganese Phosphate, and coated in heat-cured epoxy.
 
I'd take a CZ75B over the AR24. Easier to get repaired/get parts, and the built quality and QA is a million times better in Czech republic than it is in Turkey, and I dont believe a CZ75B would be that much more money than an AR24
 
THX-1138 said:
I'd take a CZ75B over the AR24. Easier to get repaired/get parts, and the built quality and QA is a million times better in Czech republic than it is in Turkey, and I dont believe a CZ75B would be that much more money than an AR24
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true dat !
 
I own an AR 24 and it has quickly become my favourite pistol. Comparing it to a base CZ 75B I would have to say that the build quality is actually better. The slide to frame fit is tight with little or no play. The frame, barrel and slide are are milled from solid forgings and there is not a tool mark to be found. After firing a few hundred rounds the trigger is exceptional. There is a more pronounced backstrap indent and beavertail so it fits my hand perfectly. I'm not slagging CZ- I think an SP 01 will be my next purchase- but the AR is a nice gun. Parts etc, may be a bit of an issue- but some Tanfoglio parts are interchangeable including magazines. Hennings in the States that specializes in Tanfoglio and CZ have become pretty well versed in the AR and have some parts as well.
 
I'd start with the 9mm, reloading for both is straight forward (yes, you need carbide dies) also regardless of which brand of dies you use, get a Lee factory crimp die, easy, quick, and cheap insurance because having a bullet set back in the case on loading is very, very bad especially with the 9mm. You may want to look at a quicker press if you're using a single stage, 9mm + 45ACP shoot as quickly as .22! Many people complain about the cost of loading a 45, but in reality it's not that bad. Brass life with 45 is easily twice that of 9mm, the bullets are quite a bit more costly but the powder charges are only slightly greater (there are a few powders that work well for both such as W231) I use about a grain more in my 45 loads than in my 9mm loads. I'd probably consider the CZ over the AR24 if the price difference isn't huge (may as well get the real thing). The Norcs are good guns, quality is improving at a scary speed, I have a Commander length Norc in 45 and it's a really good, accurate pistol. It's a couple of years old now and the new ones are showing noticeably better fit and finnish.
 
jagnum said:
Looking to buy either(not both)-
Armalite AR - 24 9mm OR a Norinco 1911A1 45ACP - Police Model - Two Tone

What do you know about them? AR is more cash but cheaper to shoot.

Can someone tell me about the calibres from experience?

I do reload for rifle, but not for handgun, i am guessing that Carbide dies are the only way to go?

If you don't have one,or have had one in the past please do not comment on it as i am not asking for a p(ssing contest to start between anyone, or comments not based on fact.
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Don't bother with the Norinco - while they are great value for money the build quality is terrible.
 
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