9mm Tok to 7.62mm; success!

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I'd conversed about whether or not 9mm Norc's change to 7.62mm.
I promised to get back on the results.
Cheap'n easy. SKSman for 7.62 barrel and clips 70 $. Link and link pin 18 $ (Marstar). 1000 rd's ammo 190$ (Frontier ).
1/2 hour to clean the Barrel and install link / link pin. The machining marks are exactly the same 9mm against 7.62 barrels.
Ammo was a bit gritty; surface corrosion. Polished rounds with a cloth wheel; no problem. In fact it eats unpolished ammo just fine too ( I wouldn't recommend it; but I thought I'd test the Combloc weapons reputation for unstop-abilty; yes sir... it functions fine).
I like the 7.62mm better than the 9mm. Extremely fun, noisy and large fireball from the muzzle on each round.
I highly recommend it.
 
Great info.

Just a thought but a minute or two in a case tumbler or even just the media and rounds in a big plastic bucket that you roll around for a while would clean up the ammo in batches instead of one at a time.
 
Andy said:
Which 9mm Tok did you convert? M213? M-201C? NP-17?
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M-201C.
And thanks for the tumbler suggestion; tried it though. 5-15-30 min intervals. Used a bullet puller and compared tumbled rounds charges against an un-tumbled round charge; no difference to see. But the tumbler didn't work that good actually. And the gun seemed to function quite well even with surface corrosion. The rounds are cased brass by the way. I was expecting laquered steel; but they are copper/brass berdan primered rounds. But although the bullets are copper jacketed; they stick to a magnet quite well. Copper over steel with lead core.
 
The flash of copper plating over an obvious steel jacket (magnet sticks) is likely to use the copper as a non galling lubricant or interface in the steel barrel. Odd things can happen when steel meets steel with no lubrication to separate them. And not many of them are nice things. The copper is like having an older child sitting between the other two younger siblings.
 
Just wanted to confirm that someone had not done the impossible and done a drop-in conversion of a M213.

This is nothing really - the "Combo Packs" from Marstar and Lever had 7.62x25 and 9mm barrels with them, so it was well known that it "worked".
 
What about the action and shell extractor ? Are these remains the same from 9mm version ? Also just to confirm that the parts to change for 9mm to 7.62mm conversion will be:

- barrel
- magazine
- link with link pin
- ammo :)

Is that correct ?
 
BCRider said:
How different is the 201 to the 213?
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The M213 is unique in that it is purpose-built for 9mm and as such is not conducive to conversion to the longer 7.62x25 round. There's discussion of this here on CGN in the long M213 thread. It's not an impossible conversion, but it's far from the drop-in conversion from 7.62x25 to 9mm for any of the other Tokarev TT-33 clones that were purpose-built for 7.62x25.
 
Thanks Andy. I guess I missed that seguey somewhere in the 187 pages of posts.... :D

If you saw my posts about the mods I made to my own 213's it would seem that I found at least one factor that supports this 9mm only version. The conversion magazines Lever sells didn't fit straight off in the 213. The mod that made this so is obviously 9mm specific.
 
M-201C is an TT-33 with Tokaregyt grips in a 9mm( my understanding ). I'd imagine that a 213 wold be the same.
The base of the rounds are identical. The 201 won't eject a loaded round (too long) but that's not an issue in my world.
Burned off 100 rounds yesterday, wow it rock's! The muzzle blast is something else. It's a must try kinda thing, Remind's me of a 4" .357 magum noise-wise & you can feel the shockwave hit your upper body when shooting from a bench.
 
FWIW, I installed a Romy 7.62x25 barrel and barrel bushing in my 213, and took out the spacer in the magwell. It fit and it would cycle the 7.62x25 rounds out of the 7.52x25 Tok mags. I didn't try to shoot it, I was just fooling around to see if the pieces fit. I have 3 Toks that fire the 7.62 round, and don't really need another one.
I've got the Chinese 213, a Romy TT-33, and 2 Yugo M-57's.
 
I just bought the rubber grip for the 213, trying to put it on my Nork tt-33 and it's to long and not quite right. I take it the grip is different on the 213?
 
tokguy said:
M-201C is an TT-33 with Tokaregyt grips in a 9mm( my understanding ). I'd imagine that a 213 wold be the same.
The base of the rounds are identical. The 201 won't eject a loaded round (too long) but that's not an issue in my world.
Burned off 100 rounds yesterday, wow it rock's! The muzzle blast is something else. It's a must try kinda thing, Remind's me of a 4" .357 magum noise-wise & you can feel the shockwave hit your upper body when shooting from a bench.
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Sounds a lot like shooting .357 SIG. That stuff tosses out a helluva flame and packs a solid shockwave as well.
 
The M213 is purpose-built for 9mm. The breech face (and ejector) are 6-7 mm farther ahead than on the TT-33, M201 and other TT-33 clones. This does not prevent installing the parts for 7.62X25 (barrel, etc.) as various videos attest, but poses big problems for ejecting a fired round. I understand that the ejection port is shorter by the same amount.

Ask the maker of those videos how well it fires after conversion - better yet, ask for a video of it firing.
 
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