A few of Base Bordens Tanks

Wow I did not know about this! Lol I'm excited I seriously gotta go and check out the German hetzer! Nicknamed "baiter" by German infantry I think?? Anyways thanks for sharing and for the pics!
 
hollowedpoint said:
Wow I did not know about this! Lol I'm excited I seriously gotta go and check out the German hetzer! Nicknamed "baiter" by German infantry I think?? Anyways thanks for sharing and for the pics!
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This is what the Flying Heritage Collection says:

The tank destroyer's nickname Hetzer loosely translates to "Baiter" or "Troublemaker." Though not the official name for the Jagdpanzer 38(t), German troops began using the nickname late in the war and post-war writings popularized the term.
http://flyingheritage.com/TemplatePlane.aspx?contentId=35
 
jvjamt said:
Thanks for the pictures. I painted a number of these artifacts around the 2006 timeframe, in conjunction with the 2 civvy bodymen/painters at Base Maint. The colour for all pieces was chosen by the museum, in fact supplied by them through a distributor in Barrie, who we would call when we required more. Omni (PPG) Acrylic enamel if I remember correctly. Some thought it was a clearcoat, so we ended up experimenting with a flattening agent to reduce the shine. Correct colour or not, I sure had a hell of alot of fun painting them.
I have pictures of some of those vehs getting hoisted onto a flat bed in the winter by a mobile crane. I also remember having to take two tries with a Leo C2 to tow the Centurion ARV back into place. The pad was only a few inches wider than the tank, and we tore the #### of the grass that Road and Grounds just finished repairing from when we removed the ARV.
We used to joke after the fact, if you look closely at the back of the AVGP, it looks like we painted two ghosts if you visualize the viewing ports as eyes.
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No offense, but that museum needs to smarten up and do a better job (and that also goes for the CWM in Ottawa). As much resources, money and time is spent doing it wrong as doing it right, the first time. For the life of me I cannot fathom why they shot that crappy and incorrect paint on the outside display artifacts and museums seem have a fixation on grey, grey and more grey. Case in point the CWM kettenkrad has a not so lovely coat of grey Tremclad floor paint OVER of its original wartime/factory dunkel gelb and stencil work. Or better yet I was pointing out the horrid CWM paint job to one of the curators at CWM on the schwimmwagen where some clown had painted over the factory DG AND the field cam of reddish brown/bottle green, plus stencil work. His reply blew me away, the paint (as its displayed) is now part of the "history" of the car, what a jaw dropping statement/mindset to have. So they are content to paint over the cars original history, slap bondo on wartime damage and call the "improved" appearance of the car correct and displayable ?? I would think museums, being the self professed centres of excellence would actually try to do it right vs wrong.
 
QM 86 said:
Ask them where their Panther tank went 10 yrs ago. Always get a reaction.
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"Although little is known of its history or its capture, the museum’s tank was shipped to Canada, where it was used in V-E celebrations May 8, 1945, on Sparks Street in Ottawa.

After that it was sent to Canadian Forces Base Borden and displayed outside until the Department of National Defence's Directorate of History and Heritage, CFB Borden, and the Base Borden Military Museum donated it to the Museum in 2005."

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=89799321-38df-4cba-86ab-6923e1621137&k=3238

Saw it at the War Museum this July on Canada day. Wife and kids didn't understand why I was so excited by it.

It's in good company there, with a lot of other interesting and significant vehicles also on display.
 
I agree on the paint schemes and markings. Why would the museum not preserve them in their original form? It's like these military history vehicles have been sterilized and made to be non-offensive.
 
Steiner said:
I agree on the paint schemes and markings. Why would the museum not preserve them in their original form? It's like these military history vehicles have been sterilized and made to be non-offensive.
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No names, no pack drill, but some well meaning custodians and workers at museums, many of whom are volunteers, really don't know much about this. I shudder to remember the case of a number of very rare Canadian FN rifle prototypes which a museum custodian had worked over with an electric pencil to ID them, in spite of the fact that they were already serialized.
 
Had the pleasure of taking a group of Armour Corp students through the museum last summer.
Whatever they call the initial corp course now a days??? DP1/2 ???

Did the cousre phot at Worthingtons' grave.

Way back on the far wall of the tank hangar side is a picture of those FT17s getting rail bedded into Borden from the US.
I had to explain to the museum guide that they had "Borden Iron Foundry" chalked on the tanks to get them through customs, as this was before lend lease.

I kind of feel old now.:(
 
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I remember a Ram tank that was used as a target and still in Meaford until the early nineties last I saw it.
Not on the range either.
West of the punchbowl in some sand traps.

I wonder whatever happened to it?
 
XRCD011 said:
No offense, but that museum needs to smarten up and do a better job (and that also goes for the CWM in Ottawa). As much resources, money and time is spent doing it wrong as doing it right, the first time. For the life of me I cannot fathom why they shot that crappy and incorrect paint on the outside display artifacts and museums seem have a fixation on grey, grey and more grey. Case in point the CWM kettenkrad has a not so lovely coat of grey Tremclad floor paint OVER of its original wartime/factory dunkel gelb and stencil work. Or better yet I was pointing out the horrid CWM paint job to one of the curators at CWM on the schwimmwagen where some clown had painted over the factory DG AND the field cam of reddish brown/bottle green, plus stencil work. His reply blew me away, the paint (as its displayed) is now part of the "history" of the car, what a jaw dropping statement/mindset to have. So they are content to paint over the cars original history, slap bondo on wartime damage and call the "improved" appearance of the car correct and displayable ?? I would think museums, being the self professed centres of excellence would actually try to do it right vs wrong.
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Pimp my tank!
Slam it (lower the suspension), add a big-ass spoiler, stuff the trunk full of stereo amps, top it off with metal-flake paint job.
In 100 years from now, historians will really appreciate this new chapter of its history...
 
nntw said:
"Although little is known of its history or its capture, the museum’s tank was shipped to Canada, where it was used in V-E celebrations May 8, 1945, on Sparks Street in Ottawa.

After that it was sent to Canadian Forces Base Borden and displayed outside until the Department of National Defence's Directorate of History and Heritage, CFB Borden, and the Base Borden Military Museum donated it to the Museum in 2005."I



http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=89799321-38df-4cba-86ab-6923e1621137&k=3238

Saw it at the War Museum this July on Canada day. Wife and kids didn't understand why I was so excited by it.

It's in good company there, with a lot of other interesting and significant vehicles also on display.
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i know one of the guys who restored it
 
CanadianAR said:
Yeah the paint is a joke. But better then no paint I guess.

There is cool stuff stewn ALL over Base Borden. Lots of cool 45-80s stuff too. I just didn't stuff to photograph everything.
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This reminds me of the poor CF-101 Voodoo at the Atlantic Canada Aviation Museum. The paint scheme is completely arbitrary and incorrect. It always bothers me a bit everytime I pass by on the 118. :mad: :p

Obviously they don't need any donations, having deemed the paintjob correct for the better part of 20 yrs lol.
 
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When you mix any coloured paint together you get gray. Wonder if all the paint is from donated monies and museum attendances. Then buying what they can. I know its the government. But the fact they moved and set up all the vehicles on display on base. Must of taken alot of time and money. Remember them not looking so nice and rusting away. I'm a civi outside base. Use to go there a lot as a kid and still drive through every so often. Rekindled my interest to see those old war horses. Thx for post
 
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