A few questions about the Tavor...
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I dont have the article handy, but I recall reading about someone in the US (you know, the "free" place that everyone dreams about...) that had a gun (AR15, IIRC) double on him. The BATFE grabbed it, tried to get it to do so again, could not with their frist batch of ammo, so went out and got some ammo with really soft primers, then charged him with having a machine gun.
Does anyone recall this incident?
Yeah, I honestly think I would enjoy that Tavor because it is very unique looking and seems to be very accurate (watched Future Weapons on Discovery Channel) and it uses AR15 magazines and 5.56mm x 45mm which is what I prefer simply because I like to run NATO standard ammunition. I am not as interested in the Micro Tavor simply because I'd rather get a non-restricted Tavor save myself the hassle of another restricted firearm and it would be fun to hunt with! Anyway I did not intend to create animosity with this thread and thanks to all for the constructive comments.
Jon
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I had one. There was doubling with civilian .223 ammunition. The M21 sight didn't give me the precision I like so I sold it. I like my Swissarms Carbine much better but it doesn't mean the Tavor is no good, just not ideal for me. It was however a very handy and compact gun. If it came with a rail and the antislam fire bolt at that time I might have kept it.
I'll see how the new ones do. May buy a 'fixed' one later.
I'll see how the new ones do. May buy a 'fixed' one later.
blaxsun
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Yes, perfectly (pretty much how you described it). I just don't remember where I saw the article, either.
blaxsun
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It's definitely unique. Do keep in mind he's (guy on Future Weapons) a very good shot. Yes, it's chambered in 5.56mm so you can use either. Don't forget the 10-round LAR-15's.
Regardless of whether or not the issues were isolated to civilian ammo. A rifle designed(or not) to only function with mil spec ammo is a poor idea. Even if your intended user only runs mil spec ammo. Who approves export for civilian sales and doesn't think that the end user could very well be running civilian ammo??
I run an AR and a CZ858. Naturally the CZ is the one I run in the field. I run the AR for several reasons. Parts and accessories(not that you need accessories) are abundant. The platform is very modular which makes tailoring a rifle to a specific task very easy; especially with the ability to swap uppers. The low recoil of the 5.56/.223 cartridge coupled with its velocity make it easy to shoot out to 250 yards without much concern for bullet drop. The AR is light weight and with an adjustable stock will fit everyone with or without heavy clothing/armor. The AR is left hand friendly and can be made ambidextrous with some accessories. The AR suffers from none of the problems I listed in my previous post.
The CZ offers many of the same attributes. The CZ is not as modular, and is not setup for optics out of the box. However, for a rugged field ready rifle, the CZ is hard to beat. Cheap and plentiful ammo, reliable system, milled receiver, light weight, lefty friendly(more so than for right handed shooters) and very affordable.
In all honesty, if the Swiss Arms had an adjustable stock and a more reliable source of parts and magazines I'd run one.
TDC
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Thanks for the info TDC, but I really don't care about the details...I just wanted to know which rifles you liked that I don't own so I can go find and p!ss in some of those threads about some "flaw" in them just for the h3ll of it.
As to the original topic, I think the Tavor is absolutely fantastic and is definitely worth your consideration (depending on your intended uses of course). I have a heavy bias as I want/need a compact non-res .223 semi that takes AR mags and ejects out the left side or the bottom and this is the only rifle I know of that meets All of these requirements. They have been ultra reliable from what we've seen here on CGN, and as CanAm seems quite responsive to wants and needs I don't see any problems on that side of things.
Having said all that, if a micro was available non-res I'd be all over it like it was a sheep in the dark.
As to the original topic, I think the Tavor is absolutely fantastic and is definitely worth your consideration (depending on your intended uses of course). I have a heavy bias as I want/need a compact non-res .223 semi that takes AR mags and ejects out the left side or the bottom and this is the only rifle I know of that meets All of these requirements. They have been ultra reliable from what we've seen here on CGN, and as CanAm seems quite responsive to wants and needs I don't see any problems on that side of things.
Having said all that, if a micro was available non-res I'd be all over it like it was a sheep in the dark.
What Gremlin? I have yet to see it in nearly two crates of ammo and I'm not the original owner. The CZ is not my go to rifle but I wouldn't feel bad if it was all I had left.
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I had 2 slam fires or doubles with my Chinese SKS 1 with Winchester 123 Sp. Commercial ammo and another with some reloads I made again with Winchester commercial primers. I have shot thousands of rounds of Milsurp X39 and never had a slam fire with it. Now I know the SKS rifle is not in the same league as Tavor, AR-15 and such but it does share the floating firing pin aspect of these rifles. The point! dont shoot commercial ammo in MY SKS your experiences may be different.
That doesn't surprise me. Most who have no intended role for their firearms or a grasp on the fundamentals of marksmanship don't. Seeing how you've validated the Tavor with your list of requirements I'd say you're safe there. I have to ask, why the left hand or bottom eject?
TDC
I have to say I love my cz858 but I had the gremlins and so did allot of people but the importer fixed the problem just like canam and we all moved on happy and ready to shot. Maybe you where a little too critical of the Trevor and its initial short comings.
The slam fire issue is far from my biggest complaint about the system. The other poor features and attributes make it undesirable.
TDC
blaxsun
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You did read the above links re: the M-16 and other rifles, yes? All I would say in response is that even though it took a bit longer for IWI to manufacture a new bolt (longer than I suspect everyone would have preferred), CanadaAmmo replaced the entire bolt (shipping and all) for free. I'd rather buy a gun from a manufacturer (and distributor) that stand behind their product 100%. And let's not forget that Israel was in the middle of a war last year.
Depending on what type of shooting you do and whether or not you're left handed, the issue can be a deal breaker. Seeing how it was designed as a service rifle I don't understand why they would design and adopt a system that isn't lefty friendly.
is that what you really mean?
Its ok, I don't need expensive firearms to "look cool" at the range. Neither expensive gear or "looking cool" ever won a match or a gun fight. That being said, the cost is not an issue. What you get for that cost is. The Tavor has nothing on a Swiss rifle of equal price. For less money, the AR offers more advantages. Of course, by the time one finishes dressing up an AR the price can easily meet or exceed that of a Tavor, but then again that usually includes a tier one optic.
I'm not disputing CANAM's support of the product, it was bar none phenomenal. No hassles, just a straight assurance they would solve the problem. IWI although slow in the fix also came through like any reputable business should and would. I won't buy gear that can't be supported either. I'd say its safe to say that the AR FOW and the CZ are well supported.
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