a few questions for the Norinco-Tokarev fan club

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I recently ordered up a Norinco Tok and a case of that Czech surplus ammo and am waiting it for it all to show up. Pending the processing speed of the CFC i suppose. I figure I may as well own the cheapest centerfire handgun known to man, and it should be fun, as well as a cheaper way to take friends shooting.

I have read numerous threads about the poor accuracy, cheap plastic grips and so on, and i really don't care. I'm not expecting 1 inch groups or a lifetime of trouble free service for $179.00. So for those of you that have them:

1. How many rounds do you have through it?
2. How long have you had it?
3. Any major concerns/ breakages/ return to Marstar for warranty work?
4. Do you feel cool when you shoot it? I'm kidding. Well do you?
5. Is there such thing as aftermarket sights, grips? Not a big concern, just curious if any companies went through the trouble.

I guess that's all, just trying to fill the void while I anxiously await my new bullet launcher. The plan when i get it will be to strip it down, clean out factory goo, lightly oil, then shoot at least 500 rounds through it on day one just to see if it will take it, and to break it in. Hell, maybe a thousand rounds on day one for the 10 and a half cents per bullet.

also: don't need a Norc bashing thread here. just seems like after the initial range report you never hear a 6 month or 1 year report from the author.
 
Haven't owned a Marstar/Norinco T54, but did have a Tokagypt. Pretty similar. Forget aftermarket. There isn't. Tokarev grip attachment is unique. The afterthought thumb safety is a PITA. Just in the right spot to aggravate the thumb, and mechanically unnecessary in the Tok design. Basic miltary accuracy. In 7.62 its going to crack; wear good hearing protection. Clean it after use, its going to be shooting long after you have get bored with it. Wouldn't expect any breakage.
 
1. How many rounds do you have through it?
2. How long have you had it?
3. Any major concerns/ breakages/ return to Marstar for warranty work?
4. Do you feel cool when you shoot it? I'm kidding. Well do you?
5. Is there such thing as aftermarket sights, grips? Not a big concern, just curious if any companies went through the trouble.
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Lets see.
I've had mine ~6 months, and probably put 2-300 rounds through her.
One issue I've had with mine are the pins that hold the grip panels on. They are a press fit and worked loose. A friend thought he could spot weld them on. Bad idea. Very, very bad idea :( . I boned them, so I'm not gonna bother Marstar with this.
Watch out for the Czech ammo. Its lacquer coated. After shooting a bit, the heat will melt the lacquer and start to gum up your chamber. Every so often, a round won't extract. (squib rod !!) May not be for everyone, but mines doing it.
Cool? Definately. A lot of power in a small pistol. What not cool about that? Yes, its a small pistol.
Never looked into aftermarket parts for it.

I'm not shooting IPSC with it so accuracy isn't an issue. Its not too bad, all things considered.

(E) :cool:
 
About 500 Czech 7.62 rounds through mine (and a few 9mm's just to check out the other barrel that came with the deal). It actually is fairly cool for a cheapie, dead easy to take down and clean (good thing with that corrosive ammo). The grip panels are a right pain, mine are now covered by a small size Hogue Hand-All grip. The "bang" factor is right up there, people do come down the range to check out what you're shooting. Yes, trigger and general accuracy are rather crap - but you know that going in.
 
I have put about 200rnd through mine, not disapointed at all. Only problem i had was the mag would fall out due to a weak spring. Had doug at epps put in a stronger spring & its all good. Trigger on mine is good & accuracy is 8 out of ten in the black at 25yrds, god enough for me. Milsurp ammo has some kick for such a small round.
 
1. How many rounds do you have through it? about 1200
2. How long have you had it? about a year
3. Any major concerns/ breakages/ return to Marstar for warranty work? flawless even after not cleaning it for 400 rds
4. Do you feel cool when you shoot it? I'm kidding. Well do you? I feel like I am shooting compressed communisim with each shot
5. Is there such thing as aftermarket sights, grips? Not a big concern, just curious if any companies went through the trouble. you can probly get aftermarket grips but changin the sights is kind of pointless
 
Helno said:
4. Do you feel cool when you shoot it? I'm kidding. Well do you? I feel like I am shooting compressed communisim with each shot
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this is what i needed to hear most of all.

thanks for all the info fellas, appreciate it. i can't wait to shoot compressed communism. makes 44 Mag sound rather insignificant.
 
Helno summed it up perfectly. It's a lot of fun to shoot and after the first couple of mags she smoothed up pretty nice. All I've ever used is the copper-washed Nork ammo in it and she's been flawless as long as you don't limp-wrist it
 
I have a Tokarev 54 and I want to know what is the difference between it and a Tokarev T-33. A Tokarev T-33 is almost double the price. Does it worth that much ? Thanks.
 
the main difference is that Norinco manufactured it at a fraction of the cost. kind of like the difference between a Norinco 1911 and an STI Edge.

they both work. one is cheap and kind of junky. the other is more expensive and is all around superior in every way.

my opinion anyway. i guess you'd have to buy one of each to solve the riddle for yourself.
 
I don't know that a Chinese actual service pistol is made much differently than examples made in any of the other Communist nations. Are the ones being sold actual surplus service pistols, or are they commercial clones? Chinese pistols being sold commercially are available in quantity. This is reflected in the lower price. 60 or 70 year old Soviet TT-33s are genuine collectibles, as are the post war versions from Hungary, Poland or even China (if dated appropriately).
The Chinese pistols being sold now have the Mickey Mouse thumb safety retrofitted to comply with US import rules. That is moot now, with the import restrictions. The pistols are cheap, and the ammuntion is too, as long as it lasts. Great combination for a plinker.
 
Mickey Mouse Safeties

tiriaq said:
The Chinese pistols being sold now have the Mickey Mouse thumb safety retrofitted to comply with US import rules
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Not the ones being sold by Marstar. Mine is happily free of external safeties :)
 
lol get good hearing protection ...its really loud.

I wanted to like it...it shoots fairly well..but hell its just an unergonomic hunk of ####... Could be a contender for hammer biter of the year as well.. never got me though..but its grips are abit soviet like..

Once again if indoors get good hearing protection its really loud.
 
i shoot outdoors mostly, not much room to move at the indoor range.

i might just have the slide engraved " compressed communism in every shot ". Helno has inspired me to the core. lol
 
It is much like the proper method of opening a russian ammo can most will say to use the big can opener that comes with it but the true way is to chug a half litre of vodka and then tear it open with your bare proletariat hands.

I have heard that if you want a shooter the norincos are the way to go as quality control was even more hit or miss back when the people making them normally made tractors.
 
My Norinco shoots high and to the right but within that it is okay accurate, won't win a target competition. Sights are garbage. It is really thin and cool though. Mags have no problems so far. I stopped shooting it much though because I limpwrist it far too much, causing stoppages. Other, more experienced shooters have shot it flawlessly. Keep in mind this is like firing .357 or .30 Carbine out of a semi-automatic pistol, so you have to have a proper grip. Norinco ammo is awesome, haven't tried Czech.
 
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