A few questions on Rifles (Bolts, Caliber, Blueprinting)

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I think I'm finally going to be able to build my dream gun in the next year and a half or so (done college and hopefully working full time soon as a Machinist). And I figure I should ask any questions from now till then to make sure I don't screw up when I finally have the rifle built. :)

1) I was wondering if its possible to get a rifle to shoot 2 different bolts in the same rifle without a safety problems like head space ?? :confused:

2) I'm dead set on the caliber, that wont change but I was wondering if anyone has any personal experiences and tips on using the 30-06Spingfield as a a precision/hunting rig ?? :confused:

3) I'm told accurate rifles are all Blue Printed and I've been told why it should be done and what it does to a rifle which I agreed made sense at the time and am thinking have having a gunsmith do it to my rifle I'm gonna build, but my memory is a little faded so can anyone refresh my memory as to why do it ?? :)

Thanks in advance for the replies.

Dimitri
 
jennis said:
Why build when you can buy............700P-308
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Remington doesn't make a Police or Military rifle in 30-06 Springfield. Guess you missed that requirement ?? ;)

Plus I've put in long and hard hours figuring out reading tons of reviews on the internet and magazines about the different components from the action, to the barrel, to the stock, to the scope to the sling, etc I've picked them all in a attempt to get my "ideal" rifle. :)

Dimitri
 
Ok.......Go and spend a few thousand to get .4 / .5 or spend 1500.00 (700P and optics) and get .4 / .5 .Im not really sure of the allure for a custom rifle ??
 
Dimitri said:
Remington doesn't make a Police or Military rifle in 30-06 Springfield. Guess you missed that requirement ?? ;)

Plus I've put in long and hard hours figuring out reading tons of reviews on the internet and magazines about the different components from the action, to the barrel, to the stock, to the scope to the sling, etc I've picked them all in a attempt to get my "ideal" rifle. :)

Dimitri
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Well then have at her!:D

If you know what you want, get it...why ask on here?
 
"...as a Machinist..." Finished the apprenticeship too or just beginning?
"...2 different bolts..." As long as they're both fitted for headspace, sure.
Very few cartridges are as versatile as the '06. The .30-06 loves 165 grain hunting bullets and 168 grain match bullets with IMR4064. Just work up a load for each weight. If you're shooting targets past 600 yards, use 175 grain match bullets with the same powder.
Blue printing is truing the action and bolt face to make sure they're square. Add the W's and read this. .vandykerifles.com/blueprint.htm
"...build when you can buy..." Because it isn't the same as a rifle you build.
 
Dimitri - why not just do the work yourself? Setting the rifle up personally can be a lot more rewarding than just buying it. You could also consider using a precision action. No blueprinting necessary.
Incidentally, I am very pleased with the Standard-Modern lathe. Smooth, accurate, nice to use.
 
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Jennis,

I want it in 30-06 and I'm dead set on that because this will also be my "go to hunting rifle". Its going to kill 2 birds with one stone so I feel spending double the money is ok :) Plus the real costs of the rifle are in the optics (the scope, rings and base costs more then the rest of the componates of the rifle :eek: ). The rifle itself should only be about 1,250$ + gun smithing services. :)

mikeelliot,

Nothing wrong with getting more opinions, because with the right arguement I may change a thing or 2 to make it better. After all its a lot of money and all I got is "internet opinion" guiding me so the more the marryer ;)

sunray,

Just beginning as a Apprentice myself. :) And yes the 30-06 is real versatile thats why I want to have my rifle chambered in it. :)

By the way you hit the type of bullet I want to use for match shooting right on the head, 175gr Serria Match Kings. :D

tiriaq,

I'd do the work myself but:

1) I don't got a lathe or other machine tools.
2) I've never done it before and I'd like to get this done right.
3) I'd probably get better results if I let someone whos done it a few times and gets it done right to do it.

Mind you I plan on self teaching myself to gunsmith after I get a lathe. Glad your lathe is working out for you. :D

I'd use a precision action but you know of any that have detachable 10 round magazines or aftermarket kits for them ?? :confused: Thats one of the main reasons I decided on the M700, another is I prefer a push feed action over the Mauser Controlled Round feed actions and in my opinion the Remingtons feel nicer when racking the bolt on the rifles I've tried at gun stores + guns my hunting buddies own. :)

Dimitri
 
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Dimitri said:
Jennis,

I want it in 30-06 and I'm dead set on that because this will also be my "go to hunting rifle". Its going to kill 2 birds with one stone so I feel spending double the money is ok :) Plus the real costs of the rifle are in the optics (the scope, rings and base costs more then the rest of the componates of the rifle :eek: ). The rifle itself should only be about 1,250$ + gun smithing services. :)

mikeelliot,

Nothing wrong with getting more opinions, because with the right arguement I may change a thing or 2 to make it better. After all its a lot of money and all I got is "internet opinion" guiding me so the more the marryer ;)

sunray,

Just beginning as a Apprentice myself. :) And yes the 30-06 is real versatile thats why I want to have my rifle chambered in it. :)

By the way you hit the type of bullet I want to use for match shooting right on the head, 175gr Serria Match Kings. :D

tiriaq,

I'd do the work myself but:

1) I don't got a lathe or other machine tools.
2) I've never done it before and I'd like to get this done right.
3) I'd probably get better results if I let someone whos done it a few times and gets it done right to do it.

Mind you I plan on self teaching myself to gunsmith after I get a lathe. Glad your lathe is working out for you. :D

I'd use a precision action but you know of any that have detachable 10 round magazines or aftermarket kits for them ?? :confused: Thats one of the main reasons I decided on the M700, another is I prefer a push feed action over the Mauser Controlled Round feed actions and in my opinion the Remingtons feel nicer when racking the bolt on the rifles I've tried at gun stores + guns my hunting buddies own. :)

Dimitri
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A word of caution here - you may find after getting all thee components together and the rifle built, that the 175 Seirra does not shoot as well as a different bullet.
There are some variables that we cannot control.....
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
A word of caution here - you may find after getting all thee components together and the rifle built, that the 175 Seirra does not shoot as well as a different bullet.
There are some variables that we cannot control.....
Cat
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That is true. But thats part of the fun no ?? Being able to experiment to find the right load :D

Dimitri
 
Dimitri, As far as I know (could be wrong, happens all the time) .30-06 and .308 are practically identical in terms of ballistics, same bullets to boot. If you still have your heart set on .30-06 than you'll probably have to nix the 10 rd mag thing. A few companies do make them for the 700 (Badger Ord, V Bull, HS, etc..) but they are all for short actions IIRC.
 
Leg,

The 308Win and 30-06Spring are practically the same your right, but the 30-06 is about 100-200fps faster and can handle the heavier bullet weights better, which is a must because I want to go bear hunting with this rifle as well (using 220gr bullets). ;)

Cabela's sells the American made Kwik Klip Remington conversions that have both 4rd and 10rd magazines in Long action. :)

Dimitri
 
"...Just beginning as a Apprentice myself...." You've got lots of schooling ahead of you. You'll never be unemployed though.
"...10rd magazines..." Illegal in a centre fire.
You don't need 220 grain bullets for bears. The '06 likes 165 grain hunting bullets best.
"...the 30-06 is about 100-200fps faster..." It's only 100fps faster in like bullet weights. The only difference between the .308 and .30-06 is the case length and that 100 fps. Not that one is better than the other. Ballistically, they're identical. They're both just as versatile.
 
Sunray,

Yup got alot more schooling ahead of me. :)

sunray said:
"...10rd magazines..." Illegal in a centre fire.
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10 round magazines are NOT illegal in Center fire rifles. :rolleyes: They are illegal in SEMIAUTOMATIC center fire rifles. ;)

Edit, sorry for the ":rolleyes:" I don't mean any offensive to you, I just have heard this too much by "expert hunters" I know, its a little annoying being told this repeatedly when its legal according to the Criminal Code/Firearm Act. :(

Dimitri
 
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wallbanger said:
V-bull has a mag system that is for long action and is a drop in for a Rem. 700 with no machining req. Just to let you know.
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Yes they do and it seems interesting but, cost is a factor with that magazine system, perhaps I may upgrade the magazine system at a later date after building it, because saving the necessary additional money would push the build date farther out. Saw it for 500$ on other threads I believe. :(

Dimitri
 
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