A good starting rifle
- Thread starter Devon
- Start date
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe ranges and safety templates are approved by either to CFO or by DND if it is a military range. If your caliber doesn't fit the template you can't shoot it there, it is nothing personal.
Terry Perkins
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Bruce County
No, FCWC 2009 is being held in Bisley, England. There are 2 classes...308/223 off a bipod, and open. There is not much worry about tryouts, Canada is having trouble getting the minimum number of shooters for both classes.
We're definitely trying hard to improve the Olds range and with that range brought up to standards, we can work towards putting on shooting matches. Mutt-Roc at the Genesee range near Edmonton is also trying hard to promote longer range shooting.
Mystic Player is putting on the Summerland funshoot this next weekend which should be well attended and also Parker Hale Mike has put in countless hours getting the BCRA match organized for 2008. All these people need to be thanked for stepping forward and sacrificing their time to make shoots like these possible.
Parker-Hale Mike
CGN Regular
- Location
- Beautiful Victoria
Last edited:
If Canada can't put together a team, 'CyaN1de' Richard and I are going over to shoot as individuals, we've got our names down. I've tried getting in touch with the people that are supposed to be in charge of fullbore in BC, but neither has gotten back to me and sadly, this was predicted. I wish I could talk Mysticplayer into coming over with us!
You guys are way too sensitive. I joke around. A lot. However, if one really wants to become offended with me and butt heads over it, I can do that too.
I give guys an occasional ribbing on the assumption that they are skilled and experienced enough to be confident in their position. I give guys an occasional ribbing about their equipment because, odds are, it's nicer than mine. I like to think maybe someone will want to come out and school me. That would be good. I'm happy to take a lickin' (figuratively speaking, of course) if it increases numbers. I'm nothing special and see it proven repeatedly so join the club.
When it comes to competitive shooting, I look upon it as a game. A little civil trash talking is part of the game.
Rick,
Don't be so damn thin skinned. You know me and you know my attitude. I'm aware that you don't shoot competitively. If you prefer that I and others don't invite you to do so, I'm happy to oblige. I ask you to come compete because it's good to have more gunsmith's and more knowledgable shooters on the line. If you find my manner offensive, well golly, I'm so sorry! See you at the Kamloops show? Regards, Bill.
I give guys an occasional ribbing on the assumption that they are skilled and experienced enough to be confident in their position. I give guys an occasional ribbing about their equipment because, odds are, it's nicer than mine. I like to think maybe someone will want to come out and school me. That would be good. I'm happy to take a lickin' (figuratively speaking, of course) if it increases numbers. I'm nothing special and see it proven repeatedly so join the club.
When it comes to competitive shooting, I look upon it as a game. A little civil trash talking is part of the game.
Rick,
Don't be so damn thin skinned. You know me and you know my attitude. I'm aware that you don't shoot competitively. If you prefer that I and others don't invite you to do so, I'm happy to oblige. I ask you to come compete because it's good to have more gunsmith's and more knowledgable shooters on the line. If you find my manner offensive, well golly, I'm so sorry! See you at the Kamloops show? Regards, Bill.
Terry Perkins
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Bruce County
This is excellent news! Moving in the right direction.
Wow, this thread went from a guy asking about a starter rifle (shouldn't there be a sticky on this by now??) and then goes into a pi$$'in match and then into recruiting for a team to go to England... 
the rudder really fell of this thing 
the rudder really fell of this thing 
I'm just starting out and here's what I bought in .308:
http://www.remington.com/products/f...del_700/model_700_XCR_tactical_long_range.asp
It has full aluminum bedding and an externally adjustable trigger (40-X) that rivals any aftermarket trigger. I'm very happy with the rifle so far. The trigger is light and crisp and the rifle shoots accurately. I paid $1150.
The really nice thing about this rifle is that it's ready to shoot decent groups right out of the box....and since I'm a beginner that's something I appreciate. The last thing I wanted to do was to start replacing stocks, doing trigger jobs etc. I just took her out of the box, mounted my scope on top, and started shooting.
Bill, I'm impressed with your reply. It shows to me that you can give as well as take. You should be coming out to Summerland this coming weekend for some fun at extended range. It's going to be a good time had by all.
- Location
- calgary alberta
Bill the problem with the net is that it is hard to see the grin or the wink in the text that is sent.
Timing is also part of it, I should not respond to threads during business hours, especially just after knocking heads with other members of our ranges executive. Sorry, you did catch me with my thin skin exposed.
I get my ass handed to me on many occasions, and have no issue with that.
I fully expect to get a good dose of that at the BCRA, being as the closest I come to being in shape, is being round, which I keep telling my wife IS a shape.
I don't shoot prone worth crap anymore, but agree with you that gunsmiths/makers should attend more matches, as should experienced shooters in all disciplines.
I built a special 308 this year JUST to go to the BCRA shoot. This is the 1st 308 I have owned that is not ca or fa for years.
It will sting building a big $$ rifle that shoots VERY well and still having some young buck kick my ass at the match, but whatever. I may learn something so it is all good.
Terry I appreciate the offer, but F Class is too much like a disipline for me.
I shot FClass years ago, still have the rifle as a matter fact, but not the commitment you need. Besides I don't play well with others
Maynard I believe you are correct on the templating of ranges and what is and isn't allowed at some ranges being set either by the DND or CFO which is why I shoot with the cows, they don't seem to mind big ass calibers or brakes.
Well I think we scared the originator of this thread off but good
The triggers on the Remingtons are all set fairly heavy for liability reasons but it all depends on what you're use to. To bed the gun properly and bring the trigger pull down from whatever they are, 6lbs to a crisp 2.5lbs is done with little expense and will greatly increase your ability to grow with the firearm. Try something with your gun; loosen the bottom metal screws and see if you can move your gun at all in the stock. With the gun bedded, you would be able to shoot tighter groups without screws or bottom metal on your gun at all purely as an experiment of course.
The trigger on mine was definetly lighter than 5 or 6 lbs. It has the 40-X trigger and not the stock Remington trigger or X-Mark trigger. I'm just guessing but it's probably around 3 lbs. There's no travel...just trigger and the really nice thing is that it's externally adjustable. The only limitation on the trigger, from what I've been told, is that it can only be adjusted down to 2.0 lbs. I wish that I had a gauge to measure the trigger pull for you so that I could give you some accurate numbers.
Any rifle of mine that sees any type of field work goes no lower than 3lbs. Anything lighter and I find that sometimes I have it break before I want it too. No problems with lighter on the bench, just not when I'm breathing hard from running up a ridge or hustling to cut something off. So any trigger that can be set to break crisply at 3lbs is OK in my books.
ipscgraz
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
So back to the original question...I am thinking of going to a slightly better tactical/fun rifle.
The M700SS 5R Milspec is well reviewed by one of the sponsors here;
http://www.frontiertaxidermy.com/html/rem_700_5r.html
The M700 XCR has been mentioned as a good place to start.
http://www.remington.com/products/f...del_700/model_700_XCR_tactical_long_range.asp
Do any of you experienced shooters have an idea which one of these two you would lean towards?
The M700SS 5R Milspec is well reviewed by one of the sponsors here;
http://www.frontiertaxidermy.com/html/rem_700_5r.html
The M700 XCR has been mentioned as a good place to start.
http://www.remington.com/products/f...del_700/model_700_XCR_tactical_long_range.asp
Do any of you experienced shooters have an idea which one of these two you would lean towards?
The 'Fruited' barrel won't be of any advantage to you. I'd stick with a 26" heavy barrel on a 700P and if you want to get it painted up, you have that choice. The Milspec 5R barrel and name they use has nothing to do with Rock Creek 5Rs just so that you know.
I bought a Rem 700P recently in .308. Very nice rifle out of the box. One thing I don't like about this rifle is that the stock has no cheek piece so, that might be just me, my head is kind of to low. I have to keep my head up a bit to see clearly in my scope and I hate that. But, to all problem, there's a solution. I have orderd a McMillan A4 stock with an adjustable thumbwheel cheek piece. Didn't receive it yet but I can't wait to shoot my 700P with the McMillan on it. And, like some said here, the Rem 700P is easy to upgrade so to me, that's the way to go.
. Didn't receive it yet but I can't wait to shoot my 700P with the McMillan on it. And, like some said here, the Rem 700P is easy to upgrade so to me, that's the way to go.
I'm just getting into some long range shooting, have another thread up. and im looking into the rem 700P aswell in 26" heavy , but ill be using an AICS stock.. the 700P is just for starters..in good time i'll be replacing the action and barrell with something a bit more substantial. but i will only dabble in shooting up to about 1000yrds/meters for the time being, as i will still use it for hunting ( and on occasion old office equipment and household appliances down the farm )
I just sighted in my Remington 700 5R milspec. Wow, I'm very happy. I was using cheap Fusion brand 165 grain ammo. This rifle shoots.
The stock I really like. Especially for a synthetic. The palm swell fits me well, and the cheek weld was perfect with the 50mm scope I have on it and the Leupold PRW rings/bases. The stock also sat perfectly in the front bag I was using.
I have a Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x 50mm with the 1000 yard Rapid Z reticle. Unfortunately the range only went to 200 yards, but the drop down crosshair at the 200 yard mark was right on. Using this reticle, this scope has enough adjustments for 1000 yard shooting.
The trigger is a bit heavy but... no travel and absolutely no creep. Just a very nice crisp let off. I like it. It's the new X-mark pro. I don't think I'll bother getting a trigger job done on it.
I think I'm sold on the polygonal rifled barrels. It shot exceptionally well. Plus clean up was a snap. Bore snake and some patches was all it required. The 24 inch barrel is nice and handy. While I'd like the extra fps from the 26" I have to say I really like the overall balance, look and accuracy from this 24 inch barrel.
So far this has been the best out of the box rifle I've bought. Definately no regrets. Looking forward to trying out some match grade stuff. That being said it would be deadly for hunting using the hunting grade ammo I sighted in with.
The stock I really like. Especially for a synthetic. The palm swell fits me well, and the cheek weld was perfect with the 50mm scope I have on it and the Leupold PRW rings/bases. The stock also sat perfectly in the front bag I was using.
I have a Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x 50mm with the 1000 yard Rapid Z reticle. Unfortunately the range only went to 200 yards, but the drop down crosshair at the 200 yard mark was right on. Using this reticle, this scope has enough adjustments for 1000 yard shooting.
The trigger is a bit heavy but... no travel and absolutely no creep. Just a very nice crisp let off. I like it. It's the new X-mark pro. I don't think I'll bother getting a trigger job done on it.
I think I'm sold on the polygonal rifled barrels. It shot exceptionally well. Plus clean up was a snap. Bore snake and some patches was all it required. The 24 inch barrel is nice and handy. While I'd like the extra fps from the 26" I have to say I really like the overall balance, look and accuracy from this 24 inch barrel.
So far this has been the best out of the box rifle I've bought. Definately no regrets. Looking forward to trying out some match grade stuff. That being said it would be deadly for hunting using the hunting grade ammo I sighted in with.
Last edited:
