A homemade bullet?

Dave L.

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I've been kicking this idea around for a long time, but I never really had the guts to give it a shot.

I currently do not own any guns, and I'm no expert on the subject of making exotic bullets, but I've got some experience in the field of ballistics - just the basics or common knowledge. When I was little, I built a breath-powered dart blowgun that fired darts, and I've built a few 'experimental' rounds for it, including a sabot round fashioned from a steel spike that was able to punch through four layers of corrugated cardboard and still overpenetrate.

What I did was simple;
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At the '|' line, I taped the cone, so it could slide up to the middle of the dart, but go no further. When it left the barrel, the cone would stay with the dart and guide it - not like a sabot round which breaks away upon leaving the barrel. But when the dart smacked the cardboard, it would penetrate up to its cone, and then the cone would simply slide off the end of the dart and remain in the hole torn by the spike or bounce off. The spike of course, free of the cone, would continue to go through. On some occasions, I aimed it at an angle, which caused the spike to 'tumble' as it passed through the cardboard, which made huge jagged rips in the cardboard.



Now, the question is this. I intend to take an ordinary, perfectly legal jacketed hollow point bullet, and then take a nail that would be able to fit inside the cup, and then cut off the length of the nail, leaving only the tip, and force it inside the cup so the tip is 'hidden' inside the cup of the bullet, and held inside with friction. There wouldn't be any protrusion. Or, if not a nail, a ball bearing or two.

My objective is to create a special hunting bullet that will behave similarly to the dart I built for the blowgun. I want the bullet to cradle the nail tip, and upon impact, I want the hollow-point bullet to create a wide entry wound for the nail to enter. Once the bullet encounters resistance and begins to flower and expand as all hollow-tips do, the nail will be released and go smashing through bone and tissue to cause further damage to kill the animal faster. This would mean less chance of merely wounding the animal and watching it get away and slowly bleeding to death, or in the event of being faced with a charging moose, better chance of killing it faster.

Now, I need to know these questions. I've never tried this in a real gun before, and...

One - ...I don't know if it will be legal. Canada's prohibited ammunition types are not listed under the Firearms Act, and are simply left up to the courts to decide. I know armour-piercing rounds got banned, and so did fire-setting or explosive rounds as well. I'm not sure if this round could pierce armour - if it can, I'm scrapping it. I'm not a criminal.

Two - ...I don't know if it will work as planned, provided the bullet even leaves the barrel. Will I just end up with a hollow-point round that happens to break apart, or will the nail cause the bullet to break apart in flight? Will it become a sabot or a waste of good money and a once-in-a-lifetime deer? Or will it just perform like a regular bullet or like a Glaser Safety-Slug and waste me a good lot of time and effort?

Well, your comments are welcome!

- Dave.
 
I don't wish to sound snide, but who are you kidding? The premium bullet companys spend millions to design there hunting and target shooting bullets. The ammo companies have finally realized the hunters demands for greater performance, and now load premium bullets previously only available to hand loaders.

You figure you can outdo them with a finishing nail?

Also, your physics is wrong. The steel tip will stay with the lead core as there is equal force across the surface of the bullet. The steel tip can not accelerate off the lead core unless there is an unbalanced force. At best, the tip might be subject to less resistance than the edge of the expanding bullet.
 
Dave L. said:
Alright, thank you. This project is scrapped.

- Dave.

Well, don't give up because one person said you can't do it. Maybe you don't have the millions the big boys have, but you may have the ability to think outside the box. I think some of the greatest inventions were created by people who wouldn't listen to those who said "it can't be done".
Maybe you just have to refine your idea a bit.
 
Thanks for the encouragement, Rubikahn. I don't really know if I should continue, though. I had a design for a bullet tipped with potassium chlorate, but that was scrapped because if it worked it would be illegal. :(

I guess I jumped to a conclusion with Canucks223's response - I could keep trying. But I think I'll lay off the crazy ideas for a bit.

- Dave.
 
Your round already exists with armor peircing ammo. It has a small steel core that penetrates hard targets. It wouldnt do any against a soft target like an animal.

Finding a way to get a round to expand more than modern soft points would be a good place to start thinking.
 
There's already lots of high quality ammo out there. However if you can identify a short coming in all of the current designs, then design away. That's the story of Trophy Bonded or Nosler Partition for that matter. Now the light steel pin would probably not travel through a mass that would stop the bullet proper but hey have at 'er.
 
dont feel bad i am thinking about gettng some reloading gear just to neck down a .303 to .223 :D yes i have no knowladge of reloading but it sounds like it might be great for ground hogs and squeerils
 
SignGuy said:
dont feel bad i am thinking about gettng some reloading gear just to neck down a .303 to .223 :D yes i have no knowladge of reloading but it sounds like it might be great for ground hogs and squeerils

Been done, yeeeeaaars ago, make that eons :p Popular in Australia, and I assume you meant necking down to .224" ;) More bullet choices that way... :)
 
Damn you LOL i thought i was on to something unique i wonder .50 necked down to .224 hmmmmm no i am seriously gonna do the 22-303 sometime just havent figured out when
 
I did stick lead shot into the tips of .22lr ammo... Usualy the pedals break off, and the core of the slug is left to penatrate the rest of the way(cci hp). But somehow the pedals stayed intact with the lead ball(#6 shot) The down side was less penatration, but I can't say it had a wider wound chanel, because the pedals breaking off and fragmenting leaves a mess!
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The American egal one was to test if that 38grainhp (dented tip) ammo would even expand. It did a bit, but it also tumbled about 2" in the gelitain, sort of veering off coarse, but creating damage none the less.
 
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Dave L. said:
Wait... wait... did you say 'Armour piercing?' Dude, that's not cool!

- Dave.
Why is it not cool? I think AP ammo is cool :D It's not like he was telling him to go hunting with AP rounds (note; it's common knowledge that hunting with FMJ or AP ammo is illegal, it's stated very clearly in all provincial hunting regs), he was just explaining that the concept described already exists in the form of armour piercing ammunition. Except AP has a hardened steel/tungsten/tungsten carbine/depleted uranium core, not finishing nail core :p
 
I believe that breath-powered "blow-guns" are prohibited weapons.
And you know if you get busted with it the newspaper will make you out to be some nasty terrorist/ninja, especially if you also have a garden (fetilizer).
 
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