A lightweight carbine length rifle...the Savage Model 10 Scout 7.62x39

jparent said:
Cheap practice in a rifle that is exactly the same as the 308 you already own. Same trigger, bolt throw, scope, etc.

Even at $400 more than a Norc, that's less than a case of surplus 308. At $200 per 1400 of 7.62x39, you can still shoot a lot more for less if you burn 1000s of rounds of practice per year.

Though personally, I'd like to see Savage release a Scout in 22.
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200$ for 1440 rounds ? PLease tell me where you are getting this. around here its more like +- $350
 
For me the toss up would be between this Savage and an M77/357. Both are great plinkers and each with a different advantage (relative to each other) as a light carry rifle for deer.
 
Chaput said:
Totally agree, plus, you can't even hunt with the ammo and if you do hunt with 7.62x39 your paying the same amount as regular ammo.

I don't get why people are exited about this.
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7.62x39 is pretty damn good little bullet. Perfect for a scout rifle. You can reload it with any .308 bullet on the market. This is going to be a beauty little bush gun out to 300yards, Which surpases my shooting ability on a standing shot.

I find it funny how people think this caliber is only good for plinking. the american eagle ammo is non-corrosive and brass cased. Its decently priced, but not nearly as cheap as the corrosive stuff. After your all done plinking with the FMJ, you'll have more than enough brass for a cost efficient non-corrosive tack driving deer killing freezer filling reloads. Lol
 
S1de8urnz said:
7.62x39 is pretty damn good little bullet. Perfect for a scout rifle. You can reload it with any .308 bullet on the market. This is going to be a beauty little bush gun out to 300yards, Which surpases my shooting ability on a standing shot.

I find it funny how people think this caliber is only good for plinking. the american eagle ammo is non-corrosive and brass cased. Its decently priced, but not nearly as cheap as the corrosive stuff. After your all done plinking with the FMJ, you'll have more than enough brass for a cost efficient non-corrosive tack driving deer killing freezer filling reloads. Lol
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Except that it doesn't have the velocity or ballistics of .308. Or .30-06. Or pretty much any other .30. It might do the job, but it's not exactly a deer hunters first choice...especially when the others end up being the same price (or cheaper, reloading kit isn't free) and have cheap, reliable, accurate bolt guns chambered in them. Cheap milsurp coupled with cheap guns (SKS) really are the only reasons we're all crazy over 7.62x39, without those key points nobody would care about it except the quirky dudes who just have to be different. And by all means, have a couple expensive BA guns for the quirky need-to-be-different guys, but without some dirt cheap plinkers as well most guys are just going to keep buying SKS's to shoot this stuff with. As for whoever it was that said "hurr why buy it if you just want to plink get a .22 then" I have both and the reason is that .22 goes "pew pew" whereas x39 goes "bang bang", and they both do what they do quite economically...
 
ilovegunz said:
Except that it doesn't have the velocity or ballistics of .308. Or .30-06. Or pretty much any other .30. It might do the job, but it's not exactly a deer hunters first choice...especially when the others end up being the same price (or cheaper, reloading kit isn't free) and have cheap, reliable, accurate bolt guns chambered in them. Cheap milsurp coupled with cheap guns (SKS) really are the only reasons we're all crazy over 7.62x39, without those key points nobody would care about it except the quirky dudes who just have to be different. And by all means, have a couple expensive BA guns for the quirky need-to-be-different guys, but without some dirt cheap plinkers as well most guys are just going to keep buying SKS's to shoot this stuff with. As for whoever it was that said "hurr why buy it if you just want to plink get a .22 then" I have both and the reason is that .22 goes "pew pew" whereas x39 goes "bang bang", and they both do what they do quite economically...
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Of course the 7.62x39mm doesn't have the ballistics of much larger rounds. It was never meant to. You could use your logic for any caliber. Like I said earlier, why bother with anything in .22 centerfire if it isn't a .220 Swift? After all, a .223 Rem. or .22-250 isn't as powerful and you're using the same sized action for all cartridges. See? You can make that argument for anything. However, I doubt few would ever doubt the value and versatility of a .223 Remington.

I don't get your comment "Or pretty much any other .30." Have you never heard of a .30-30 Winchester before? Very comparable ballistics. Then there's a multitude of other more modern cartridges such as .300 Blackout, 7.62x40mm, and .30AR, just to name a few. All of those .30 cal. cartridges are far less powerful than .308 Win. or .30-06 Springfield but yet they are used successfully for hunting purposes within their capabilities and short to medium range distances.

I'm not a fan of the x39mm as per se. I only own a break action Baikal rifle in it and I haven't fired it yet. I don't have a lot of personal use for a SKS but I may eventually own one some day.

A bolt gun might not be for you but there seems to be a decent demand for them in the 7.62x39mm. I doubt few guys are buying +$800 CZ 527's for the sole purpose of shooting surplus ammo through them.
 
I will add the following observation: Shooting is a perishable skill, once learnt the basics are not forgotten but to maintain a high skill level requires practice, constant practice. Personally I have found that any shooting is better that none at all. I walk round the pastures here shooting gophers "off hand" with a .22 before I go on Safari in Africa, it improves my quick reactions, snap shooting, sight picture and trigger squeeze, this all helps. The ability to shoot cheap 7.62x39 ammo in a bolt gun would allow for more "trigger time" and make excellent practice for a lot of us.
 
ilovegunz said:
The whole point of 7.62x39 is cheap milsurp ammo, it would be a non entity otherwise, why is the only cheap thing to shoot it with an SKS? $7-900 for a bolt action gun that shoots an antiquated calibre is ludicrous. /end vent
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Might as well buy a bolt action 30-30 if you want an intermediate powered antique cartridge.
 
S1de8urnz said:
7.62x39 is pretty damn good little bullet. Perfect for a scout rifle. You can reload it with any .308 bullet on the market.
WRONG!

Bullet diameter for 7.62mm Russian is .310" not .308"
Nice to see people talking out of their ass... Not quite a catostrophic combination, try loading .303" bullets into a .308" so you take yourself out of the gene pool!
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joe.danay said:
S1de8urnz said:
7.62x39 is pretty damn good little bullet. Perfect for a scout rifle. You can reload it with any .308 bullet on the market.
WRONG!

Bullet diameter for 7.62mm Russian is .310" not .308"
Nice to see people talking out of their ass... Not quite a catostrophic combination, try loading .303" bullets into a .308" so you take yourself out of the gene pool!
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Wrong!

Its not a .310 bore. Thanks for trying. Maybe do a little research before implying someone is an idiot. It just makes you look like one.
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Thats why I bought the CZ 527 in 7.62x39 as per their website " It is ideal for shooting the steel cased surplus ammo with .311 bulletts" The Savage has the .308 bore the Cz is .311 Even Hornady for their 7.62 makes .310 bulletts. Proper bore diameter for bullett diameter sounds right to me!!!!
 
S1de8urnz said:
joe.danay said:
S1de8urnz said:
7.62x39 is pretty damn good little bullet. Perfect for a scout rifle. You can reload it with any .308 bullet on the market.

Wrong!

Its not a .310 bore. Thanks for trying. Maybe do a little research before implying someone is an idiot. It just makes you look like one.
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Already have, there's a box of 7.62R on my reload shelf, how about yours?
First thing I did was measure the bullet diameter. It is NOT the same size as .308"
2 choices here; Remain silent and have people think you're an idiot, or speak up and prove it beyond a shadow of doubt!

Does any one else out there actually HAVE 7.62R bullets and care to measure them?
Reloading 7.62x39 costs more than buying surplus so it's fairly pointless. I got them to load in my brass 7.62x54 cartridges.
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FYI not all "7.62" rifles are created equal. Some countries measure from the rifling lands or from the rifling grooves. End result is different bore sizes being called the same NOMINAL size.
 
Sorry sideburnz, I posted the info in the interest of safety for everyone. Not just to insult you.
I love my surplus ammo toys and I've spent more total on my CZ858 than what this scout rifle would cost, but it's not fair to compare!
 
joe.danay said:
S1de8urnz said:
joe.danay said:
Already have, there's a box of 7.62R on my reload shelf, how about yours?
First thing I did was measure the bullet diameter. It is NOT the same size as .308"
2 choices here; Remain silent and have people think you're an idiot, or speak up and prove it beyond a shadow of doubt!

Does any one else out there acrually HAVE 7.62R bullets and care to measure them?
Reloading 7.62x39 costs more than buying surplus so it's fairly pointless. I got them to load in my brass 7.62x54 cartridges.
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Reloading 7.62x39 is more money than buying the cheap corrosive ammo. I didnt say it was cheaper nor implied it. Lol. What I said is that you can buy a nice case of brass non corrosize FMJ ammo, and then reload a decent hunting round into it. Your the one assuming and implying. Your the one calling people stupid. Your the one with a chip on his sholder. I dont know if thats your angle, or maybe im reading your posts in an angry voice.

Lol. Look its simple. This gun is not retarded. It has a place, and will do a fine job for what I have planned for it. Some people want a rifle that leaves them with the option to shoot to cheapest ammo on the market, or put a little time and money into making a good and accurate bullet. What it comes down to is that it has the option. And yes, it shoots both ammo fine. I did look into it before getting out the credit card.

I wanted a decent 7.62x39 bolt gun. The CZ's arent cheep either, and if I had found one I'd poney iup the cash and buy it too. Am I the idiot because you cant't see the value in that? Yes there are better guns out there, some with better ballistics and what not. It has the accu stock, accu trigger, scout rail, and a box magazine.

As for do I have a caliper and bullet in my pocket at work... No. I guess you win this round!
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