A little safety reminder :)
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MauserMike
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- SW Ontario
Geez I'd be lying on my belly if I were that guy LOL
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- Banana Republik of Kebekistan
I like that one.
Is is copyrighted? Might use it at next match
Yeah it's copyrighted but if someone is deserving let it fly. I will ok it as long as you promise to say it loud enough so they are embarrassed.
I usually follow up with a "you should be patching targets instead of picking up brass you BRA$$HOLE" lol
It always gets a few chuckles and at least one red face.
- Location
- Halifax - NS
Brass is picked when the squad is finished if no one is waiting; no exceptions.
I've been to a lot of matches where you are shooting with permanent building props so seeing through them requires x ray vision. The COF looks like it is just begging a shooter to break 90 though. I am most amazed at the stunned response of the R.O. . He says stop-safety ? after the shooter has clearly stopped. Thats it ?
Wow, close call for the target patcher.
All joking aside, all it takes is one tragic event and we bring down a whole world of uninformed scrutiny, telling us how dangerous our sport is and we can't be trusted to own guns, let alone run around on a range shooting them.
Old guy talkin' now, We used to set up courses of fire with barricades, solid walls, ports, tunnels, hallways, and alleyways, entire first floors for the most amazing house clearing scenarios. I mean stages... oops. They were amazing, colorful, fun, and safe, always safe. It was my job as RO , and the scorekeepers job backing me up, to ensure things ran safely and smoothly on our range.
The range was cleared by the RO, that was me, I made it my own rule to be the last person to walk up from the backstop, berms, whatever and ensured everyone was done scoring, patching, picking brass, stage repair, whatever. My range, ultimately my responsibility. If I wasn't sure the range was clear, I would check again. Getting IPSC competitors to pay attention,listen, and actually hear... is sometimes like wrangling kids in the schoolyard, with all our cool toys, and friends and cliques, not to mention the mental baggage and all the #### we bring to the range everyday, sometimes it was a challenge.
It was and still is, every competitors job, every shooters, every volunteers job, to know what they are doing,where they are in time and space on the range,and be in the moment, we're human though, and we get tired and stupid, and hot and dehydrated, etc etc during a match.
One of the definitions of Entropy is, lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
Lets keep this as reminder of what we do, I'll use it as reminder personally, and what a great teaching tool for potential RO's and CRO's, hopefully the folks at NROI, and IROA incorporate these little gems in the current RO training.
All joking aside, all it takes is one tragic event and we bring down a whole world of uninformed scrutiny, telling us how dangerous our sport is and we can't be trusted to own guns, let alone run around on a range shooting them.
Old guy talkin' now, We used to set up courses of fire with barricades, solid walls, ports, tunnels, hallways, and alleyways, entire first floors for the most amazing house clearing scenarios. I mean stages... oops. They were amazing, colorful, fun, and safe, always safe. It was my job as RO , and the scorekeepers job backing me up, to ensure things ran safely and smoothly on our range.
The range was cleared by the RO, that was me, I made it my own rule to be the last person to walk up from the backstop, berms, whatever and ensured everyone was done scoring, patching, picking brass, stage repair, whatever. My range, ultimately my responsibility. If I wasn't sure the range was clear, I would check again. Getting IPSC competitors to pay attention,listen, and actually hear... is sometimes like wrangling kids in the schoolyard, with all our cool toys, and friends and cliques, not to mention the mental baggage and all the #### we bring to the range everyday, sometimes it was a challenge.
It was and still is, every competitors job, every shooters, every volunteers job, to know what they are doing,where they are in time and space on the range,and be in the moment, we're human though, and we get tired and stupid, and hot and dehydrated, etc etc during a match.
One of the definitions of Entropy is, lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
Lets keep this as reminder of what we do, I'll use it as reminder personally, and what a great teaching tool for potential RO's and CRO's, hopefully the folks at NROI, and IROA incorporate these little gems in the current RO training.
- Location
- Halifax - NS
Great minds think alike.
I disagree with the part about sweeping things under the rug. We need to get these things out in the open and have the RO's from various games cooperating on making our sport safer. Like with any active sport, there is always some risk and sharing information is the best way to manage it. I will give you a software analogy...
Microsoft and Apple business model involves closed-source software and keeping all of the information in-house. That is why there were discoveries of serious security issues that were knowingly swept under the rug for years. Issues that were exploited by malicious individuals and caused real and significant damage to the victims of those software companies and the hackers. On the other hand, all of the Linux code is out in the open, so it's easier for community members (including major businesses that rely on it) to discover security vulnerabilities and they get patched instantly in comparison with the proprietary software companies' products. No Linux developer has been panned for exposing a security vulnerability. Those people get lauded and problems get fixed.
We should adopt the same philosophy in the action shooting community. Out any major safety issues, discuss how each game trains its competitors and RO's to avoid them and what else can be done to minimize the risk. Openness will only make us stronger and safer.
This absolutely need to be shown to all RO's for all sports. But does general public, including non-shooters need to see that? I am not so sure on that.
A really lousy example. The Heartbleed bug was in the open source OpenSSL and Linux code for half of the decade. Enforcement agencies knew about it and left it in there, eh?
To continue the same analogy. There are lots of security researches are exploring and exploiting all kind of software (both open and closed source) and they reporting issues back to the vendors (often receiving significant rewards for that). Those reports are done discretely to allow vendors fix them before real exploits could go into the wild. Similarly, the range officers need to be educated and corresponding procedures and policies updated to prevent these kind of accidents from happening and it also should be done on discreet manner.
And how do you make sure RO's of every action shooting game know this without releasing it to the general public? Leaks are bound to happen. We might as well be open about it and demonstrate publicly that we are willing to identify mistakes and work on preventing them from ever happening again. On the other topic, you've cited one example that caught everyone with their pants down but ignored many examples where the vendors are aware of the problems and are just keeping them swept under the rug.
I didn't read anything in peacefrog's post about "sweeping things under the rug". I did read, however, a caution against the dangers of "uninformed scrutiny" and a call for everyone to take individual responsibility for the safety of the shooting sports generally.
Ever heard of NROI? It is their job to do just that.
It is one thing to demonstrate preparedness and it is a totally different thing when this viral video goes to the wild without any followup or explanation from people involved and/or responsible for competitor's safety at those events. You are advocating that this video is a great thing ever and I am disagreeing with you. These things can happen and now shooting organization have to do the damage control. For instance, see statement from USPSA DNROI posted on their web site.
Some ignored, but more of them been releasing security fixes on a timely manner. You can't measure who does more, and it is affecting both open and closed source software equally. So, it is a moot point.
Thanks CV32. There is nothing to be swept under a rug, nor did I suggest that. Good luck anyway, I saw the video on Accurate Shooter the same morning I posted here. It was already a 2 page thread on CGN when I posted. It's on the web, it's there for everyone to see until the sun goes supernova.
Maybe, the president of NROI and/or IROA get on the comment board for that video, and get ahead of any bad press by making a statement about safety, and be the Informed Voice on there, before a bunch of Uninformed commenters/anti's begin using it as a PSA for more gun control.
Might be too late, but it's something. If you don't control the story, it gets controlled and spun by those who will.
