A Message from Matt Hipwell

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ReverendX said:
I don’t understand why someone’s former occupation has anything to do with this situation. To me it seems like it’s mentioned as though it’s supposed to gain everyone’s respect.

What I think is a problem is the method the Liberals used to ban these firearms. They did so with an OIC which was the most undemocratic way to do things. They skirted parliament and avoided any sort of democratic process that has been used in Canada for 100 years.

My questions are this:

1) Why do we acknowledge and obey the undemocratic OIC as law? Because in doing so we grant the government absolute power to change and implement any laws they seem fit.

2) Why do police officers obey orders to enforce these bogus laws?

3) Matt, as a police officer if you were given to order to confiscate our firearms, would you have done it? (Rhetorical question - no need to answer.)

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ReverendX said:
I don’t understand why someone’s former occupation has anything to do with this situation. To me it seems like it’s mentioned as though it’s supposed to gain everyone’s respect.

What I think is a problem is the method the Liberals used to ban these firearms. They did so with an OIC which was the most undemocratic way to do things. They skirted parliament and avoided any sort of democratic process that has been used in Canada for 100 years.

My questions are this:

1) Why do we acknowledge and obey the undemocratic OIC as law? Because in doing so we grant the government absolute power to change and implement any laws they seem fit.

2) Why do police officers obey orders to enforce these bogus laws?

3) Matt, as a police officer if you were given to order to confiscate our firearms, would you have done it? (Rhetorical question - no need to answer.)

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to attract the " thank you for your service" fan boys.

here it all the time at the range " I was in the army and _____". Then go to a base range, this isn't that.
 
My issue is that value of firearms is being discussed and negotiated with the Liberals WITHOUT all the people it will affect being involved ! ANY discussion on value of these firearms HAS to include everyone it will affect !

A store buys a firearm for $1500 but sells it for $2000 to a customer and that customer who bought the firearm for $2000 invested hundreds or even thousands into that individual firearm with parts, accessories, optics, cerakote, ect so now that value of the firearm as went up considerably so if the Liberals negotiate the price of the firearm to what the store bought it for that is going to leave gun owners with massively undervalued firearms and they will be furious and will go out of their way to not comply and to even actively look for a fight over the outright theft of their property which is not going to be good for anyone !

This is my biggest issue in all this ! The CSAAA should have told the community they were in communication with the Liberals about firearms and they should have invited representatives from all groups this will affect ! They really screwed the pooch allowing this to be announced by a Liberal bobble head in a press conference that they were making deals behind the scenes that affect every single firearm owner as well
 
Just my two cent opinion.

This is tantamount to being a translator to an invading army of your own country where the invaders cannot speak the local language.

The CSAAA’s alignment to the gun buyback program lends merit to the Libs, (not sure why, but don’t particular care for whatever the CSAAA’s motives are) especially since they are from the firearms community. It further speeds up the demise of the whole firearms community, 98% of which consist of law abiding, tax paying contributors to society, while the criminals run unchecked and amok at unprecedented levels.

If this travesty does not unite all members from all aspects of the firearms community (restricted or non, semiautomatic, or bolt, or pump, tactical to practical, fudds to ops, etc.) or the remnants of, to vote out the liberals, then all firearm owners left, after this round of gun buyback program (confiscation, let’s call it what it really is) is said and done, will meet the same fate. It is a historical fact.

Anyone who owns firearms, at any level of investment, whether they like it or not, has stock in this and it hurts to see compliance at this level this deep in the battle from “one of us”. Especially one who has spent and invested inordinate amounts of hard work, time, and money in said battle themselves. It reeks of capitulation, but I am not in their shoes and have not seen the battle from the inside as they have.

This once free country is systematically being dissected, degraded and parted out in all regards and while we fight and point fingers at each other, everything is being stolen from under our noses by people with no morals, ethics, loyalty or allegiance’s to anything or anyone. Another nail in the coffin.

SHAME SHAME SHAME.
 
edgy said:
Read Red Deer Shooting Center’s response to all of this. They all have the same option, they can strip inventory and sell parts,a much better solution than accepting 30 pieces of silver to sell us all out. I have no sympathy for any of them, they made a deal behind closed doors, turned on all of us, and damaged our unity immeasurably. They broke ranks period
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Who says that parts and accessories will remain legal to sell after C21? If there is no legal reason to own an ‘assault style firearm’ why would parts and accessories still be legal to possess or sell?
 
700-223 said:
Who says that parts and accessories will remain legal to sell after C21? If there is no legal reason to own an ‘assault style firearm’ why would parts and accessories still be legal to possess or sell?
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Airsoft reasons.
Nunya reasons.
I like the looks of paper weights.
 
Why do I get the feeling this whole CSAAA situation was a Liberal hatched plan all along, to further divide the firearms community. For which the CSAAA fell and many gun owners jumped the gun with Karen like reactions.
 
nbd said:
Airsoft reasons.
Nunya reasons.
I like the looks of paper weights.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/airsoft-guns-canada-bill-c21-1.6781538

Airsoft huh, good try. FWIW, I have been and will be affected by the OIC, the handgun freeze, and C21. I’m not saying I wouldn’t like to have parts available. I’m asking why the Liberal government won’t ban accessories as well if they successfully ban ‘assault style firearms.’ I would expect them to go after them as well with C21 amendments, but if they don’t then I’d expect them to when their next scandal hits.

Remember, they don’t care about firearms or public safety. This is just political fodder to fire up their base and swing voters. Only real hopes are the court challenges and a Conservative majority in the next election. The Liberals are going to do everything they can now to make these changes hard to reverse in the future.
 
700-223 said:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/airsoft-guns-canada-bill-c21-1.6781538

Airsoft huh, good try. FWIW, I have been and will be affected by the OIC, the handgun freeze, and C21. I’m not saying I wouldn’t like to have parts available. I’m asking why the Liberal government won’t ban accessories as well if they successfully ban ‘assault style firearms.’ I would expect them to go after them as well with C21 amendments, but if they don’t then I’d expect them to when their next scandal hits.

Remember, they don’t care about firearms or public safety. This is just political fodder to fire up their base and swing voters. Only real hopes are the court challenges and a Conservative majority in the next election. The Liberals are going to do everything they can now to make these changes hard to reverse in the future.
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3d print a shell to look different from a gun.
Next.
 
IMR4320 said:
Why do I get the feeling this whole CSAAA situation was a Liberal hatched plan all along, to further divide the firearms community. For which the CSAAA fell and many gun owners jumped the gun with Karen like reactions.
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Yep.

It would truly sadden the Liberals if gun shops stopped working together, if gun owners blackballed them for receiving compensation for frozen inventory, and gun stores and gun ranges went under. /sarc

If the CSAAA had refused to discuss it, the Liberals could have painted them as gun zealots who don’t care about public safety. And, since they have registration on all the restricted rifles and the CBSA has importation documents on all firearms brought into the country it’s not like these firearms couldn’t still be tracked down another way.
 
I think that I can understand the business decisions behind all this. I really do. However the optics behind it are absolutely terrible for you guys. I will continue to buy stuff from your company, but I am disappointed with how single dimensional and short sighted you guys were while becoming the flagship of this liberal stunt.
 
Mr Hipwell,

Thank you for your service and your family's commitment to the shooting sports.

Thank you for posting your thoughts, clarifying what happened and distancing yourself from the CSAAA by stepping down from the board. It provides some much needed reassurance on where you and your business stands.

In my opinion, the CSAAA has walked right into a massive political PR trap set by the Liberals.

The Liberals have promised to disarm Canadians. Anything they say, do or offer should be regarded with the utmost suspicion. In secretly meeting with the Liberals and accepting a $700,000 contract to work with them, the CSAAA have discredited themselves in the eyes of many firearms owners and provided the Liberals with an incredible opportunity to sow dissention in the ostensibly united firearms community as is clearly demonstrated in these threads and posts on this matter.

Clearly, it had the desired effect as we watch Mendicino gleefully declare the cooperation. One can only imagine Liberal strategists high-fiving each other over a beer as they watch us turn on each other and the CSAAA scramble for cover.

Who knows how the Liberals will continue to use this PR win to further their agenda.

For anyone wondering what effect this will actually have, this is political theater and the CSAAA have been played. The Liberals will use this for all it's worth to further their agenda. The truth doesn't matter to them. Only soundbites that they can use to justify their agenda regardless of how flimsy the excuse.
 
Odd Shot said:
Mr Hipwell,

Thank you for your service and your family's commitment to the shooting sports.

Thank you for posting your thoughts, clarifying what happened and distancing yourself from the CSAAA by stepping down from the board. It provides some much needed reassurance on where you and your business stands.

In my opinion, the CSAAA has walked right into a massive political PR trap set by the Liberals.

The Liberals have promised to disarm Canadians. Anything they say, do or offer should be regarded with the utmost suspicion. In secretly meeting with the Liberals and accepting a $700,000 contract to work with them, the CSAAA have discredited themselves in the eyes of many firearms owners and provided the Liberals with an incredible opportunity to sow dissention in the ostensibly united firearms community as is clearly demonstrated in these threads and posts on this matter.

Clearly, it had the desired effect as we watch Mendicino gleefully declare the cooperation. One can only imagine Liberal strategists high-fiving each other over a beer as they watch us turn on each other and the CSAAA scramble for cover.

Who knows how the Liberals will continue to use this PR win to further their agenda.

For anyone wondering what effect this will actually have, this is political theater and the CSAAA have been played. The Liberals will use this for all it's worth to further their agenda. The truth doesn't matter to them. Only soundbites that they can use to justify their agenda regardless of how flimsy the excuse.
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well said! Ditto! the liberals paid for the lube and csaaa handed it to them and let them use it. amateur hour ignorance!
 
I am surprised if anyone still a CSAAA member after this. How they are going to survive with no one renewing their membership? Good riddance I guess.
 
I certainly do not have all the facts and do not claim to fully understand what is going on. It does seem however the government is very good at dividing instead of uniting and thats where I place the blame if there is any to be placed.
 
34 years of business experience and yet the firearm business owners don't understand that they are in a business of risk. I know it's for some it's part hobby, passion and business. But you should come into this business knowing that there is political risk of government gun control and bans, and high possibility of being stuck of banned inventory. just like all firearm owners should know that their guns might be banned and they will be stuck with it and no compensation. Firearm industry is different from the food industry or other retail industries. There is a real sense of comradery and we all need to take the grenade in the trenches together. and now business owners want tax payers to bail them out because they took risks to make profits? ALL businesses take risks to make profit and if risks come you take the loss.
 
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