A Message from Matt Hipwell

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If this was secret, it tells you right there that there was knowledge of this sort of reaction should the agreement get out. So CSAAA knew they were being shady.

From Ryan of SFRC, resignation post, there was also a non disclosure agreement. One that the libranos have broken. Yet Wes Nessman of Elwood epps played right along on a video today, made no mention of a breach/cancellation of terms, or backing out.

I believe the first two, sfrc and O'Dell. These today feel more like damage control when obviously time passed and legal remedies could have been explored, but apparently were not. So we're sorry. (that we got caught)
 
Steve_B said:
Unfortunately, if reimbursement is not unreasonable then the OIC is not unjust.
You can't suck and blow at the same time.
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I agree.
To make your statement a bit more plain for others to understand, "if reimbursement is reasonable, then the OIC is just."

No one should have payment offered, that makes the government theft look legitimate. All of us should be filled with anger over this illegal, illegitimate lawmaking by corrupt government.

Not to mention an organization supposedly on our side working shamelessly helping the enemy. I will not forget that.
 
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Matt you should have stepped down and not been a part of this betrayal. Stepping down now means nothing. You made your bed and now you can lay in it. Trying to gaslight the firearms business with your soap box lecture isn’t fooling anyone. Some of us have spent thousands and will continue to. Not one cent from my pocket will ever reach any of the CSAAA traitors businesses. To have collaborated with the government behind our back is such a cowardly thing to do.
 
You fight for all legal firearms owners to own firearms then back door a greasy deal to be the first to offload your banned inventory to give the Liberals a political victory. The fact you are at all shocked by the backlash this has caused shows how tone deaf you must truly be.
 
One simple question Matt, did you vote for the payout? Yes or no.

You were on the executive board were you not?

This makes all the difference as some of the non-executive members of the CSAAA claim to be not aware of the arrangement with the Liberals. I find this hard to believe but it gives them a better "out" atm.

Wes from Epps seems to be digging in. You are getting out. I'd LOVE to see the Minutes of the board meeting that approved this clusterfùck.

Lots of us have been in this fight longer than you going way back. Rallies, meetings, fundraisers, marches, letters.... yet we are all holding on to our prohibs same as the dealers. Not giving an inch or accepting a dollar. The CSAAA should have done the same. Not given an inch and tell the Libs to pound sand. Organisational Juden Rats...
 
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So many are filled with righteous condemnation. Many of the same folks who knelt and took the shots under “mandate”. A bunch of clowns arranging desk chairs on the Titanic. It’s been over for some time. Stop pretending you care deeply now. Your lack of caring enough before is what allowed this present situation to happen. This country is filled with the weak and whiny. There is no “saving” it. Just look out for you and yours in the coming time of pestilence and financial famine.
 
so its the firearm community's fault for being divided when you sold the community out for money? fantastic argument, ever considered joining libs in Ottawa?
 
Liberals are traitors. Why is anyone cooperating with them on anything? Because they are traitors too? Saving a bit of money, for what? Buy yourself a rope.
 
700-223 said:
Yep.

It would truly sadden the Liberals if gun shops stopped working together, if gun owners blackballed them for receiving compensation for frozen inventory, and gun stores and gun ranges went under. /sarc

If the CSAAA had refused to discuss it, the Liberals could have painted them as gun zealots who don’t care about public safety. And, since they have registration on all the restricted rifles and the CBSA has importation documents on all firearms brought into the country it’s not like these firearms couldn’t still be tracked down another way.
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Didn't RDSC agree to buy all the May 2020 OIC prohib parts stripped off the uppers and lowers? Maybe these dealers already stripped them and they're trying to get a few extra bucks? AR parts sell like hotcakes for compatible cope platforms. I honestly don't see why any business would be worse off financially at this point than if they'd sold these as complete rifles prior to the OIC. Hell, I'm sure if some of these shops asked for donations to help compensate them for their leftover receivers stuck in inventory, the community would step up. I regularly pay above online prices to support my favorite brick and mortar local stores. I didn't hear a peep out of any gun shop about the tied up costs. The only complaints I heard from the shops that I deal with were based on the PRINCIPLE of having some cool items stuck in the safe because of all this virtue signalling bs from the LPC.

The Liberals paint us all as gun zealots that don't care about safety anyways, so that spin is hardly something worth mentioning. This backroom deal with zero transparency to the community is really helping no shop's bottom line in the long term, it's harming it. If the CSAAA really got played by the Liberals as they seem to claim, then why don't they just back out of the deal and stand with the rest of the community? Other than greed, I see no reason why they don't just realize they made a mistake, and back out of this nonsense.

I feel like people are really not grasping that the optics of this are way worse than whatever some stripped receivers is worth to a handful of shops.
 
Unless the CSAAA comes back with a massive cost to the tax payer, just over inflate it factor in all the abuse mental anguish and don’t forget the loss on investment and other damages per “prohibited item” this was indeed a very poor decision to team up. I expect to be screwed by my enemies not my friends.

Best way to counter gun control lunacy is simply throw it back in their faces. 25K adjusted for inflation per 500 buck striped DPMS receiver set sounds correct to me. Don’t even get me started on a nice HK or FN unit.

Totally double down on it. Their the “industry experts” so who’s to argue? Just use gunbroker auction results to back up their claims. How hard could it be to get away with, we are up against the people who put a brand of coffee on the OIC, stop playing logically when the rules are illogical and the money is all made up.
 
Unfortunately, those in the CSAAA didn't look far enough ahead to think about how the liberals would twist this! The damage is done though and some dealers will pay the price and rightfully so!
I have spent my last Dollar at EPPS!!!
 
If no one #####ed would you still be on the board? Why not resign when the decision was made if you disagree?

I understand that these businesses want to recoup their loss, but why are these guys changing their tune after the fact? The Liberals played well on this one. More BS, more Division, more nonsensical media coverage of really nothing other than Fred Flinstone talking about how this is a "milestone" and all the non gun people in the country will see the media reports and think its all great. So F'd up on so many levels like everything else in this country. I can't blame the businesses for wanting to recoup their loss, I also cant blame people for getting upset. Everyone is pissed and I believe that is their goal and this is all strategically planned.
 
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If no one #####ed would you still be on the board? Why not resign when the decision was made if you disagree?

I understand that these businesses want to recoup their loss, but why are these guys changing their tune after the fact? The Liberals played well on this one. More BS, more Division, more nonsensical media coverage of really nothing other than Fred Flinstone talking about how this is a "milestone" and all the non gun people in the country will see the media reports and think its all great. So F'd up on so many levels like everything else in this country. I can't blame the businesses for wanting to recoup their loss, I also cant blame people for getting upset. Everyone is pissed and I believe that is their goal and this is all strategically planned.
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None of those clowns on the board would of resigned. They all knew and are complicit, doesn’t matter what lies they tell or how they wannna spin it.
 
Mr Hipwell- Wolverine

MANY thanks for your efforts and devotion to our rights and privileges all these years as firearms owners of all types.

That said, IMHO the CSAAA should not be cooperating at all with the Liberal govt on this totalitarian move.

I fully understand the position that dealers would want to be reimbursed for banned stock, I know at least one dealer who has refused to get involved and is willing to absorb substantial financial loss up to the last and final point where the RCMP comes banging on the door demanding handover.

I should be TOTALLY OBVIOUS this is a deliberate initiative by the Liberals to create cracks and divisions among the community.

Again IMHO the CSAAA has made a VERY SERIOUS MISTAKE in cooperating in any way with the federal govt..
 
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