A Message from Matt Hipwell

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Until we see the courts decisions in the OIC cases, this move is a mute point and everyone should um bunch their panties until the rulings come down. If they nullify the OIC then guess what... Our collective tantrums over this are all for not .. if it drops against us, then this was a prudent business move and we should be irked, but understanding of each business's financially position. I run a small company and if I got stuck with a huge amount of inventory I couldn't move it would break me. I would lose everything... The business, my house, my livelihood.
So let's not be the reactionary crazy right gun freaks the liberals want to paint us as.

And the comments about "use your money to buy a rope"?
The comentor that put that should be ashamed. You sir/madam are a degenerate who should have their privileges pulled from this forum. That's just too far.

Standingtall
 
Standingtall said:
Until we see the courts decisions in the OIC cases, this move is a mute point and everyone should um bunch their panties until the rulings come down. If they nullify the OIC then guess what... Our collective tantrums over this are all for not .. if it drops against us, then this was a prudent business move and we should be irked, but understanding of each business's financially position. I run a small company and if I got stuck with a huge amount of inventory I couldn't move it would break me. I would lose everything... The business, my house, my livelihood.
So let's not be the reactionary crazy right gun freaks the liberals want to paint us as.

And the comments about "use your money to buy a rope"?
The comentor that put that should be ashamed. You sir/madam are a degenerate who should have their privileges pulled from this forum. That's just too far.

Standingtall
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Well said standingtall
 
Standingtall said:
Until we see the courts decisions in the OIC cases, this move is a mute point and everyone should um bunch their panties until the rulings come down. If they nullify the OIC then guess what... Our collective tantrums over this are all for not .. if it drops against us, then this was a prudent business move and we should be irked, but understanding of each business's financially position. I run a small company and if I got stuck with a huge amount of inventory I couldn't move it would break me. I would lose everything... The business, my house, my livelihood.
So let's not be the reactionary crazy right gun freaks the liberals want to paint us as.

And the comments about "use your money to buy a rope"?
The comentor that put that should be ashamed. You sir/madam are a degenerate who should have their privileges pulled from this forum. That's just too far.

Standingtall
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It's totally understandable that the "intent" of the CSAAA is to help thier partner businesses financially who were affecteed by the OIC ban. But they should have considered and thought of it very very very hard before agreeing.

From a quote of a very good president that you need to think of and it's very scary "I'm from the government and I'm here to HELP you!" ..... The libs got an awesome PR win yesterday and we legan gun owners just got thrown under the bus "again".
 
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It's totally understandable that the "intent" of the CSAAA is to help thier partner businesses financially who were affecteed by the OIC ban. But they should have considered and thought of it very very very hard before agreeing.

From a quote of a very good president that you need to think of and it's very scary "I'm from the government and I'm here to HELP you!" ..... The libs got an awesome PR win yesterday and we legan gun owners just got thrown under the bus "again".
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Agreed and the government was smart enough to demand that CSAAA sign a NDA about the details of the contract to partner up with them.

It’s very unfortunate that the CSAAA wasn’t smart enough to see this as a huge red flag.

So now with a signed NDA, the CSAAA can’t disclose the details of the contract but the government can disclose any parts of it and spin those parts any way they want.

The CSAAA took the bait, hook line and sinker on this deal. !!!
 
Easy for most of us to see and understand both sides of the issue. I get it-who wants to be sitting on unsold inventory, and it's a question mark as to whether or not dealers could even stay afloat without moving it. I'm sure some can't, probably some who can. Maybe even brave souls who CAN'T, but are taking a principled stance anyway.

The optics of cooperating with these lying POS politicians is terrible, almost any way you slice it.The fact that it SEEMS kind of like a hush-hush arrangement makes matters worse, but that could simply be a reflection of how late I learned about it? I still have faith that almost everyone here in the gun community are decent, well-meaning folks but I hope it's now abundantly clear that there are only 2 sides to this issue. I think what all these posts point to is the fact that most gun owners completely resent being vilified by these virtue-signalling gun grabbers, and spoon-feeding them ANYTHING that allows them to advance their agenda is a massive error in judgement.
 
Standingtall said:
Until we see the courts decisions in the OIC cases, this move is a mute point and everyone should um bunch their panties until the rulings come down. If they nullify the OIC then guess what... Our collective tantrums over this are all for not .. if it drops against us, then this was a prudent business move and we should be irked, but understanding of each business's financially position. I run a small company and if I got stuck with a huge amount of inventory I couldn't move it would break me. I would lose everything... The business, my house, my livelihood.
So let's not be the reactionary crazy right gun freaks the liberals want to paint us as.

And the comments about "use your money to buy a rope"?
The comentor that put that should be ashamed. You sir/madam are a degenerate who should have their privileges pulled from this forum. That's just too far.

Standingtall
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Sell your own children to your enemies to save a buck?
The right answer with the Liberals is always NO regardless the cost. It’s just money.
A little financial hardship and Mr. Business Man runs to his piggy bank first.
I operate a small business. I’m pretty clear with who gets fed and who doesn’t.
 
Reading the posts here is exactly how our firearms community will be gotten rid of. I understand the individualistic nature of a majority of firearms owners, but divide and conquer has and will ALWAYS work! This is a battle lost, but the war must go on - that too without the finger pointing.
 
commanderding said:
Reading the posts here is exactly how our firearms community will be gotten rid of. I understand the individualistic nature of a majority of firearms owners, but divide and conquer has and will ALWAYS work! This is a battle lost, but the war must go on - that too without the finger pointing.
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Yep 100%. Firearms owners are the least supportive group of people I’ve ever been involved with. The name calling, hysteria I’ve seen in the last 24-48 hours here is actually laughable. Everyone comes out of the woodwork to blame, but when these companies/people could’ve used support no one was to be found.

We are not enemies here, stop pointing fingers and work together like a cohesive community.
 
commanderding said:
Reading the posts here is exactly how our firearms community will be gotten rid of. I understand the individualistic nature of a majority of firearms owners, but divide and conquer has and will ALWAYS work! This is a battle lost, but the war must go on - that too without the finger pointing.
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Agreed, this will be our demise, shows they're not all stupid.
Divide and conquer on all levels, be it our firearm community, politics, religion or other forms of our society.


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CSAAA should have NEVER entered into an agreement with the Liberal government. No matter what the agreement was, it is now used by the Liberal government as "ammo" tp promote their misguided agenda, that will ultimately result in elimination of legal firearm ownership. There is no division here, just one misguided government with a hidden agenda. We need to "hold fast" by continuing the legal fights in courts and ultimately replace this government at the next election.
 
REALLY? How many people go into a business where the main risk is a government ban. Yes, it may be a passion but the individualism among the Canadian shooters is downright embarrassing. Throwing your dealers under the bus shows the extremism in our community.
 
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REALLY? How many people go into a business where the main risk is a government ban. Yes, it may be a passion but the individualism among the Canadian shooters is downright embarrassing. Throwing your dealers under the bus shows the extremism in our community.
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Throwing gun owners under the bus shows the extremism in our community.
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I work in the retail Firearms business we don't want the CSAAA doing anything but returning OUR money (tax payers) make it harder for Liberals to do their disarming of Canada. Shame on them for taking $707,000 GIVE IT BACK and tell the Liberals to pound sand!
 
redflagmat said:
Yep 100%. Firearms owners are the least supportive group of people I’ve ever been involved with. The name calling, hysteria I’ve seen in the last 24-48 hours here is actually laughable. Everyone comes out of the woodwork to blame, but when these companies/people could’ve used support no one was to be found.

We are not enemies here, stop pointing fingers and work together like a cohesive community.
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The least Supportive???....aren't the orgs we fund weather that be directly or indirectly by supporting the businesses that support them supposed to stand up for us? Without us these orgs and businesses are nothing. I do whole heartedly believe this is a strategic move by the Libtards to divide us. Its hard not to feel a sense of defeat when you hear this news. I truly don't understand why one would resign now and not before if they disagreed with it.

No one was to be found......did we not buy them out of inventory......????
 
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They were no good intentions of the CSAAA. They did not give a dam about all the customers who have purchased millions in IOC guns - stranded in their gun safe from them.

They went after their interest first.. get inventory money first. They put themselves in that position. They did not have to enter-in a collaboration deal with the Libs while we are in court over the IOC gun.

They negotiated a collaboration contract over months while the different courts chalenges were taking place. They knew what they were doing. We call that back stabbing. They offered collaboration with the Libs gun grab program against all gun owners interest in return for inventory money. Nice guys.

The CSAAA members who claims they are big supporters of gun owners - knew and willingly entered in a contract and association with the Libs grab program and this for their benefit, not gun owners interest.

When I see Matt Hippwell from Wolverine write is a supporter of gun right and gun owners..he undermined his own father court challenges - the CFFR - Generoux and others and all gun owners who financially supported those chalenges by his actions within the CSAAA. If he was my son - he would have a good kick in the ass.

Like the Titanic’s captain, remembered for the sinking not what he as done before that, Matt and those CSAAA business members will be remembered for their betrayal of their customers - clients and all gun owners.
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Winning comment.
 
saskdude99 said:
REALLY? How many people go into a business where the main risk is a government ban. Yes, it may be a passion but the individualism among the Canadian shooters is downright embarrassing. Throwing your dealers under the bus shows the extremism in our community.
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Who was throwing who under any busses? We’ve all been tied to the same tracks for years now, and we’ve finally started pin the libs to the wall, they at very least weren’t gaining any more ground, it was virtually a stalemate, and now we’ve given them an inch, and they will take a mile.

The problem is we have been thrown under the bus now, because they’ve just gained enough momentum to start moving again, but this time we’re alone in the fight and the CSAAA just removed one of the speed bumps along the way.

At very least it was a super shady move, actions speak louder than words and in this case, why was there no address to the firearms community before hand? Why did this only surface all at once and out of the mouth of the enemy? I’m not calling for a witch trial, but I call bull that this was ever meant in honest and good intent, otherwise why else did these cowards scheme all this in private, why did they feel like they had something worth hiding.

That says it all for me.
 
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