A Message from Matt Hipwell

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MosinMan13 said:
Who was throwing who under any busses? We’ve all been tied to the same tracks for years now, and we’ve finally started pin the libs to the wall, they at very least weren’t gaining any more ground, it was virtually a stalemate, and now we’ve given them an inch, and they will take a mile.

The problem is we have been thrown under the bus now, because they’ve just gained enough momentum to start moving again, but this time we’re alone in the fight and the CSAAA just removed one of the speed bumps along the way.

At very least it was a super shady move, actions speak louder than words and in this case, why was there no address to the firearms community before hand? Why did this only surface all at once and out of the mouth of the enemy? I’m not calling for a witch trial, but I call bull that this was ever meant in honest and good intent, otherwise why else did these cowards scheme all this in private, why did they feel like they had something worth hiding.

That says it all for me.
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Agreed, no one wanted anything to do with the Ban and would not touch it with a 10 foot pole and now so called one of our own is co operating? Brutally disappointing.
 
ReverendX said:
I don’t understand why someone’s former occupation has anything to do with this situation. To me it seems like it’s mentioned as though it’s supposed to gain everyone’s respect.

What I think is a problem is the method the Liberals used to ban these firearms. They did so with an OIC which was the most undemocratic way to do things. They skirted parliament and avoided any sort of democratic process that has been used in Canada for 100 years.

My questions are this:

1) Why do we acknowledge and obey the undemocratic OIC as law? Because in doing so we grant the government absolute power to change and implement any laws they seem fit.

2) Why do police officers obey orders to enforce these bogus laws?

3) Matt, as a police officer if you were given to order to confiscate our firearms, would you have done it? (Rhetorical question - no need to answer.)
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redflagmat said:
Yep 100%. Firearms owners are the least supportive group of people I’ve ever been involved with. The name calling, hysteria I’ve seen in the last 24-48 hours here is actually laughable. Everyone comes out of the woodwork to blame, but when these companies/people could’ve used support no one was to be found.

We are not enemies here, stop pointing fingers and work together like a cohesive community.
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"when these companies/people could’ve used support no one was to be found."

Yeah I mean, it's not like people went absolutely nuts and bought up everything they could get their hands on when the bans were announced. Ridiculous statement, the only reason these companies exist is because of gun owners supporting them.
 
saskdude99 said:
REALLY? How many people go into a business where the main risk is a government ban. Yes, it may be a passion but the individualism among the Canadian shooters is downright embarrassing. Throwing your dealers under the bus shows the extremism in our community.
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God damned "extremists". Lol. Dealers take cash to participate actively in a buyback, and somehow gun owners are the ones throwing THEM under the bus.
 
HOSSONE said:
Agreed, no one wanted anything to do with the Ban and would not touch it with a 10 foot pole and now so called one of our own is co operating? Brutally disappointing.
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It’s not one of our own. He along with the other business members of the CSAAA willingly entered in a contract to manage - execute the Liberal gun grab - the so call buy back. And this have been going on for over a year (see video of their crooked Pres).
Tel us he believe in gun right ? No way - he just entered in a contract to deprive us of our property and money.

That he jumped boat when it was known, does not make him a good guy. Wake up, those business members worked over a year to embark with the Libs in the execution of a program nobody before them wanted any part off. They screwed up all the clients - like me - who spend thousands in their stores.

He screwed up his father legacy in the gun industry. His father fight in court against the Libs IOC and he sign in to do a contract to execute the grab back. How ethic is that ? No morality.

None of those individual and business member of the CSAAA are good guy. They are scumbags.
They posted as on our side for years but now they are exposed for what they are. They are foes. They work - contract in hand - for the Liberals and the antis such as Polysesouviens and coalitions for gun control, to execute their gungrab mandate and this against all Canadian gun owners.
 
joshywa1123 said:
"when these companies/people could’ve used support no one was to be found."

Yeah I mean, it's not like people went absolutely nuts and bought up everything they could get their hands on when the bans were announced. Ridiculous statement, the only reason these companies exist is because of gun owners supporting them.
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I would say people bought the firearms for their own devices, I’d hardly call that “support.”

There are many businesses in dire circumstances but aren’t broadcasting it for us to know.
 
I’m wondering if Mr Matt and John Hipwell consulted with Mr Burlew before entering into this agreement. I’ve read in one these threads that their lawyer was shocked to hear of these sudden developments.
 
I only had time to listen to about 40 minutes of that 1 hr + video, but here's my take from everything said:

- Honestly, the majority of gun owners and gun businesses will HAVE TO comply with whatever the laws are, in regards to gun ownership in this country. The keyboard warriors aka I WILL NOT COMPLY group is VERY, VERY, VERY small. The majority WILL comply. People have family, kids, bills and expenses to deal with, and our survival instinct will do what's necessary to stay "alive. Don't get me wrong - I DESPISE this government and everything they've done to ruin this country, including our freedoms and gun ownership, but I'm also realistic that I'm not going to go to jail to "Stand my ground" when I have a family to support.

- The ONLY way to solve this problem is by voting in the Conservatives in the next election. No amount of law suits, complaints, petitions, protests, etc, will have any impact. We've seen in the last 8 years how corrupt this government is, and how willing they are to lie, cheat, and distort everyday Canadian to the Liberal party's agenda. The ONLY WAY TO WIN IS TO VOTE THEM OUT.

- The CSAAA can still get out of the this contract of working with the government, if they choose to. Members of that organization need to get together and make that happen. The CSAAA sounds like is still in the process of negotiation, but the government made this deal public of course for their own agenda and benefit.

- All previous board directors KNEW, SUPPORTED, and VOTED for this contract. Any one of them to back paddle now is just trying to save their butts

- All three gun orgs, CCFR, NFA, and CSSA all knew about this and verbally supported CSAAA on this engagement. CCFR and CSSA are holding back of that verbal support, and NFA is once again showing their true colors by "denouncing" this deal when they KNEW about it beforehand and offered support

- Thinking from a business owner perspective, I can understand why the CSAAA would want to be a part of deciding how much money their inventory is worth. Yes, it is self-serving, but if you have been holding on for 3 years, we're back to the basic instincts of survival. I don't blame retailers for wanting to re-coup their dead inventory costs to stay alive.

- Thinking from a gun owner perspective, I agree that the optics of this "partnership" can only be miss-used by the government to speed up their agenda. However, if the CSAAA provided accurate "value" of all prohibited guns under the OIC, and IF THE GOVERNMENT uses those amounts for the buyback, then their partnership makes sense and only helps the gun community in getting "fair compensation" when and if the buyback happens. I'm sure no H&K MR223 owner wants to be paid $1000 just because it's an "AR15", for example.

- I think the real tragedy here is that the CSAAA could've handled this SO MUCH better, by communicating what they are doing and to have a discussion with their members, not just the board directors, about the implication of this deal. In the video call Wes mentioned that they TRIED to do this but participation from members were so low, that they really didn't have a lot of input from members. I wonder why this was the case, and if the retail members just did not pay attention to CSAAA's communication, or was the communication not very clear on what was going on.

- Like others have said, the $700k figure is not money paid yet to anyone, it's just an maximum amount the government set aside for CSAAA to conduct the admin side of things.

- It almost feels like the CSAAA were blindsided by the government on this announcement and didn't have a communication plan in place until now. The lesson here is - DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, ESPEICALLTY THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT as they've proven to be complete liars and manipulators in the last 8 years
 
Bonjour43ma said:
- It almost feels like the CSAAA were blindsided by the government on this announcement and didn't have a communication plan in place until now. The lesson here is - DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, ESPEICALLTY THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT as they've proven to be complete liars and manipulators in the last 8 years
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Alternatively, being blindsided was part of the deal and the only way CSAAA got this contract was to let Trudeau continue controlling the narrative 100%
 
700-223 said:
Thanks for what you and your family have done to support legal, responsible, firearms owners in Canada.

The Liberals have managed to divide the gun community in Canada with this sideshow. When the government renders you unable to use, dispose of, and enjoy your property as you see fit they should reimburse you. https://apple.news/ACbu2UhlCRT61qDh-24HIFQ.

The problem is the proposed changes in the law, the unjust OIC, and the politicization of public safety by the Liberals IMO. Let’s keep our focus on the real problem. Choosing to be reimbursed for property that you cannot sell is hardly unreasonable, immoral, or traitorous. Let’s keep the high ground in this debate and not vilify each other.
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agree -on top of which they have now managed to split one of the more effective industry groups through this .:mad:
sorry - having been a shooter for 50 years-and working in it at retail level for a decade-if the choice is MY business-MY livelihood- MY mortgage and family - and being a martyr to some of the most non-supportive( other than words) and divided groups
extant - i know which way i would HAVE to fall :kickInTheNuts:
 
We don't have 2A here in Canada so the concept of fighting this until the end, unfortunately doesn't make sense. Not everyone has the means to lose tens and thousands of dollars from a hobby/life style, or hundreds of thousands if not millions of dead stock for your business so when push come to shove, you will do what you need to keep yourself (your family, your business, you) afloat.

The issue is communication between all groups and this is just one more example of it.
 
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Matt and his Board buddies were too stupid to realize the name of the game has been delay delay delay. Roadblock the confiscation agenda as much as possible long enough for the NDP Liberal coalition to die or for the next general election. The CPC will not reverse the gun ban once it's been enforced, but I'm confident they'll let the issue die IF they get into power before enforcement has started. By giving ANY information to the Liberal party voluntarily they've just sped up the clock on everyone losing their property. What a gullible fool this guy is. I'm sad that I bought anything from Wolverine, it's clear they have no spine.
 
I'm to believe Matt Hipwell when his face is in that zoom/roundtable meeting.

Somehow I have an easier time believing John not having anything to do with it. Consider that John is forever going to be associated with Wolverine, owes Ed Burlew $150+k, will not be able to crowd fund to pay the bill, was in superior court while a association his son is a director of cut his balls off by signing a deal with the devil.

Awkward Christmas dinners. Hard to eat while wearing Kevlar, carve the bird with butter knives.
 
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