A minimum of shooting skills shoud be mandatory for hunting....

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While doing my things @ the range, my left hand shooter started to speak to me about is rifle shooting everywere, except on the 24X24 target.... Range officier was real busy, so i took a few minutes to help him out... Now he bring is rig over my table. the rifle is a Sako Grey wolf in 7mm mounted by a Zeiss 3X9X50 with Optiloc setup, his ammo, Remington A-frame 160 gr, good ammo... Started to check the zero tru the bore over the bag, zero is right on, ask the gentleman if i can shoot it, so i proceed and it give me a nice cluster of one inch left, 2 inch high.... For me elevation is right on, just click 5 times to the right and proceded again with 3 more shots, nice clover dead on for a 200 yards bullseye shot...
Now the gentleman just go back to his place( did charge him 10.00 to put in the range officier coffee mug ) and go about is things, i start to shoot my rifle again and completly forget about this person...
20 minutes or so after at the break away from the tables, he come to show me a target 24X24 with more of a buckshot pattern than any groups at all, like a 20 MOA group there was 6 hits, he told me he had fired 15 times @ that target... WOW...
After we could shoot again i intend to be sure, just had a fresh target set up @ 100 metres, so i asked him to shoot the first one, for me to look and what i expected occur, ( i loaded the rifle single shot with an empty case, just before )... A massive mega flinch just before the clic, at this point the gentleman understood that the rifle had nothing to do with the very bad shooting, he was almost out of ammo but he told me he was coming back in a couples of days with fresh ammo... I told him to make sure to buy the same ones.... After that i resumed my shooting and it was getting late, hope if i see him again, hope he will have worked out is trigger control, cuz this gent, the way he is now is not a danger to the Whitetails population... PS: This is the second time in my life i do the empty case trick but by far the worst one... JP.
 
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Provided he gets a shot within 100 yards, he'll probably get his deer . . . if he keeps his head. Too bad no one ever taught him how to shoot though. I've known a few guys who thought that high end gear or big power makes up for their lack of skill, it doesn't. You only have to hear, "This .308 is dead on at a half mile." (mine is too, but it doesn't look like his). Or, "The 7 mag's bullet is so fast you don't have to lead moving game." One winter day, a pal and I were out on the river shooting his .25/06 cross wind in a 60 K breeze when another fellow pulls up on his sled looks at our target at 600 yards out (where my pal, who is one of the best practical shots that I know, had just fired a 4" 5 shot group!) and made the observation that he'd killed caribou way farther than that. You get the idea, but on the range these guys are strangely absent or don't seem to be able to get their guns on paper at even modest ranges. To which they'll say, "Ya, well paper don't mean nothin, I don't miss on game!" Deep sigh.
 
You are right about that Boomer... For myself paper mean that all the basics and some of the skills are covered... JP.
 
The guy is obviously badly overgunned. He should get a 6.5x55 and try that. The empty case trick works great. Sometimes it's the only way a person will believe that they are flinching.
 
At least the shooter now knows... Good on ya for putting an empty case in there! The ONLY thing missing is a 10 second video... THAT would have been informative for all shooters TO CONTROL THAT FLINCH!

Cheers
Jay
 
Jay said:
At least the shooter now knows... Good on ya for putting an empty case in there! The ONLY thing missing is a 10 second video... THAT would have been informative for all shooters TO CONTROL THAT FLINCH!

Cheers
Jay
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That would been a hell of a video to catch, the man was a major flincher, worst i've seen in my life but who want to be the lead man in such a video...Lol... JP.
 
Worst i have seen was a fellow came to the house to sight in his 30-30 and 250 savage, he literally would close his eyes and jump as he fired, he did manage to hit a 4'x4' bale with each shot, but most didnt hit the 12x18" target, lol. This was all at less than 50 yards.
 
You can just imagine how wild his shooting would be if he gets the "Buck Fever"!

I once hunted with a fellow that could shoot a half inch group from a bench all day, but put him in front of a legal bull elk, and he cant even walk without tripping! Some baaaad "Buck fever"!!!

Some times it is only time spent behind the trigger with a manageable caliber that will fix/minimise the issue!
 
Never mind the flinching, I know several hunters to which making scope adjustments is an arcane black art. They generally pay someone to sight it in for them every couple of years. The worst has a beat to #### 303 sporter with an old weaver 4x on it. He sets up a 4x8 sheet of plywood at a paced off 100 'big steps' and fires one, maybe two shots at it. He then pronounces 'now I know where it hits' and heads for the woods.
 
Years ago in NL to get a moose licience you had to pass a shooting test.
Now all you have to do is the firearms safety course and the basic hunters course.
There's just too many wounded animals from poorly sighted in firearms and people that just don't know how to shoot.
 
Used to have 3 guys Father and 2 sons come out every year to sight in thier light weight 300 weatherby's. they shot 8 inch groups at 100 yards and called it good. I tried to help them at one piont, was told where to go they new what they where doing. Watching them was painful, they had no idea even how to hold the rifle on the bench. Good to see you could help this person.
 
I admit to still having a bit of a flinch. Less pronounced now, but still sneaks up on me. Feel silly sometimes. Best fix just to relax, think about technique and keep slinging rounds down range?
 
Many hunters shoot at the bench and call it good, I set up an 8" pie plate at different yardages and shoot from field positions, if I can't hit the plate 5 out of 5 times from a given position I know it is too far for that position. I have seen too many hunters who can't hit $##t on paper but claim they are deadly on game. My hunting buddy is not a good shot but knows his limits and doesn't throw random rounds at game.
 
The odd part of this thread is you charged him $10 to "help" him even if the money did go to the range. The part about the guy that was not a good shot is totally normal and happens every day, especially this time of year.


Weird!
 
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