A New Predator Wanders In...

The coyotes we would shoot 15 years ago where in fact smaller than the ones im seeing now, and I have the pictures to prove it. They even stand taller... 55-60 pounds the most recent, versus 35-40 before. Change in genetics, food sources, geographic location and habitat. Not sure what is to blame, but they have changed in my area...

Availability of prey and changes in habitat can certainly have impacts on genetic variation. But is it a 'new predator'? I doubt it. More likely it is just increased genetic variation within the same species. Just as better habitat can produce bigger trophy deer, moose, caribou, etc., and the reverse can diminish it. Keep in mind that the eastern coyotes you see now are many generations removed from those that first moved into northeastern North America over the past century.
 
I talked to a biologist once, he was skeptical, but you can't deny the color on those eastern coyotes is very unlike ours. Something is going on.

They do tend to have darker, coarser fur. Less valuable in the market than their pale cousins (except in the sense of sometimes being bigger.)
 
Interesting to see the NS government perspective:

I've heard that the coyotes found here are as big as wolves, or a German shepherd?
The average Eastern coyote in Nova Scotia is about 15 kg (34 lbs) with some males reaching 23 kg (50 lbs.). This is about twice the size of coyotes found in southwestern USA. This larger size has been attributed to past interbreeding with wolves, as coyotes spread northward and eastward across the continent. Today, the coyotes found here are considerably smaller than wolves. In terms of dogs, they're about the size of a border collie or approximately 61 cm (24 in.) at the shoulder. See visually the size of coyotes.

Are there wolf/coyote crossbreeds in Nova Scotia?
It is highly unlikely. It appears that interbreeding with wolves was in the past and that the Eastern coyote is now genetically distinct.
 
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LOL. Like they know what is going on please LOL

Maybe you should be setting them straight. Do you have any relationship at all with the department of Lands and Forestry? How about the Nova Scotia Trapping Association? Nova Scotia Federation of Hunters and Anglers?
 
Maybe you should be setting them straight. Do you have any relationship at all with the department of Lands and Forestry? How about the Nova Scotia Trapping Association? Nova Scotia Federation of Hunters and Anglers?

Watch the first part of that nature of things program and then tell us we are wrong what we see in cape breton
Too old to get involved with any of the ones you mention and some like NSFAH can go pound sand after they pushed the lead bullet ban in 2012 they got their last dime or support from me
Some know they just don't want to raise any concern with the public
Cheers
 
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My avatar is exactly that... a x-breed wolf coyote. Typical around here is 35-40lb female, males up to 60lbs. In the summer they hunt mostly alone, in winter they pack hunt deer, often onto the lake ice, the deer usually lose once on the lake.
Here is another one, a male around 50lbs, with some mange evident. First shot was on the run, back leg. Second shot was the TKO.
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My avatar is exactly that... a x-breed wolf coyote. Typical around here is 35-40lb female, males up to 60lbs. In the summer they hunt mostly alone, in winter they pack hunt deer, often onto the lake ice, the deer usually lose once on the lake.
Here is another one, a male around 50lbs, with some mange evident. First shot was on the run, back leg. Second shot was the TKO.


Just a question have you ever noticed when they run a couple deer out on the ice somedays they seem to be killing just for sport and not eating any of the deer right away
That seems to happen here
Cheers
 
Watch the first part of that nature of things program and then tell us we are wrong

I've seen it. Its old, as in six years ago. Surely you've had enough time since then to come up with some convincing science to show that Nova Scotia eastern coyotes are no longer canis latrans var. but something else?

Too old to get involved with any of the ones you mention and some like NSFAH can go pound sand Some know they just don't want to raise any concern with the public

Sounds like you're too set in your ways and you've convinced yourself that you're right regardless of what the published science might say.

You're the one challenging the knowledge base, but you're completely unwilling to help anyone in a position to spread the allegedly 'correct' information. This doesn't help the credibility of your claims.
 
Just a question have you ever noticed when they run a couple deer out on the ice somedays they seem to be killing just for sport and not eating any of the deer right away That seems to happen here

Surplus killing. Relatively common phenomenon among predator species.
 
Among the comments and observations here, some valid points are being made. The burden of proof is on the guys saying we have a new species. I have my doubts, but then I'm a wolf and yote harvester, not a biologist. Cross-breeding has been reported for as long as I can remember.

Here are my observations. The wolves on the Prairies are generally tending more toward solid black, and they are bigger than ever. As far as behaviour is concerned, they are every bit as bold and calculating as they were 30 years ago. After all, they are predators, and successful ones at that. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned interaction problems between wolves and people. All I have to say in response, I have never met a stupid wolf. I'll leave it there.
 
I've seen it. Its old, as in six years ago. Surely you've had enough time since then to come up with some convincing science to show that Nova Scotia eastern coyotes are no longer canis latrans var. but something else?



Sounds like you're too set in your ways and you've convinced yourself that you're right regardless of what the published science might say.

You're the one challenging the knowledge base, but you're completely unwilling to help anyone in a position to spread the allegedly 'correct' information. This doesn't help the credibility of your claims.

You honestly think it matters to me. I am sorry but I cannot fix stupid. Knowledge base here now that is a real laugh
What the same crew that manages our deer herds or moose. Please
I know I am right 100% that they have changed because I remember what I seen when they came here and now I see what we have and they are night and day
Seriously you must work for the government do you to support them like you do. Here is one for you. I did for 23 years enough said
Cheers
 
That photo suffers from the perspective error typical of that of hunters/fishermen that want to make their trophy look as big as possible. The average weight of an eastern coyote in Newfoundland is about 38 lbs.

I’d say they are a fair representation of your hybrids.
You should a read the schitz Storm I created when suggesting the guy should move 6 feet close to the rather large cougar he harvested in BC one time.
Ffs, they where just about ready to put a bounty on this Union Thugs Head, but I merely pounted out the optical illusion and signed off.
Btw, 38 pounds and size representation is sometimes hard to comprehend with out the scale of measurement to go along with it.
Oh, what’s the metric conversion for 38 pounds,lol.
Hope those who get a chance to harvest one do take it and help your ungulate population.
Rob
 
Among the comments and observations here, some valid points are being made. The burden of proof is on the guys saying we have a new species. I have my doubts, but then I'm a wolf and yote harvester, not a biologist. Cross-breeding has been reported for as long as I can remember.

Agreed. If someone wants to claim a new species, let's see the evidence. Its going to take more than a collection of anecdotes from anonymous folks on the Interwebz that they're seeing bigger, meaner animals. I think many people fail to understand basic ecology and biology, let alone genetic variation.

Here are my observations. The wolves on the Prairies are generally tending more toward solid black, and they are bigger than ever. As far as behaviour is concerned, they are every bit as bold and calculating as they were 30 years ago. After all, they are predators, and successful ones at that. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned interaction problems between wolves and people. All I have to say in response, I have never met a stupid wolf. I'll leave it there.

Solid observations.
 
You honestly think it matters to me. I am sorry but I cannot fix stupid. Knowledge base here now that is a real laugh

It matters enough to you to carry on a discussion. I didn't come here for anything other than that.

I know I am right 100% that they have changed because I remember what I seen when they came here and now I see what we have and they are night and day

So, is it a brand new species or just genetic variation of the same species?

Seriously you must work for the government do you to support them like you do. Here is one for you. I did for 23 years enough said

Self-employed here. And I am guessing it wasn't the Department of Education for you, lol. :p
 
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